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#1 Apr 07 2008 at 10:18 AM Rating: Good
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So while working on the Swift Flight quest chain last night I came across an issue. I was doing the Essence fights as intended, Bear for the first one, Cat on the second and root and nuke on the last (even though I'm feral. :3) It's been a long time since I've tried to lock a mob down with roots, really not since my pre-cat days.

I was unable to rewrite roots. Every time it was about to tick off and I was reapplying it; the error "A more powerful spell is already active" would pop up. I was using rank 7 (highest rank) and not downranking (which was fixed a few patches ago).

I know my hubby on his Mage can reapply poly before his pig breaks, and I recall being able to do the same in the old days. Did I miss something? Or is this bugged?

>^..^<
#2 Apr 07 2008 at 4:00 PM Rating: Good
I helped a guildy do this the other day and had no problem overwriting my (or his) entangling roots.

I don't know if it would affect it or not, but did you change any gear in between roots? Maybe less spell damage on the 2nd one would affect it?

Either that or you my have a rogue lower rank roots on your bar somewhere :)

Hope you get it sorted.

#3 Apr 07 2008 at 7:13 PM Rating: Good
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my guess would be trinkets. did you use some kind of +dmg trinket before casting the first root? if so, then it would consider the trinketed root to be more powerful than the untrinketed one. i get that same effect on my warrior when using rend and death wish; a death wished rend has to run its full duration and cant be overwritten by anything except an enraged rend, which in turn cant be overwritten by anything but another enraged rend, all because of the +dmg increase.
#4 Apr 07 2008 at 9:18 PM Rating: Decent
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I don't play my druid much, except to raid (I'm 61 points resto, I aint farming much) but whenever I do the dailies i notice the same thing. This is without trinkets (I rarely use trinkets, even in raids, except for the passive buffs) and AFAIK no proc effects would buff roots.

Edited, Apr 7th 2008 10:18pm by skribs
#5 Apr 08 2008 at 10:54 AM Rating: Good
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Probably a trigger or trinket or something like that.
It's the same with rip. If you did a rip with some trinket or trigger that affect your AP up, you won't be able to overwrite it if the trigger/trinket is off. Have to wait till it ends.
#6 Apr 08 2008 at 11:31 AM Rating: Decent
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On my druid, it would be without any bonus effects. Resto offers nothing in the way of providing temporary buffs that would help roots (except for NS, but I dont use that on roots), and I wasn't using trinkets at all. Even if I was, my trinkets are ribbon of sacrifice (which buffs healing taken by a friendly target of direct heals) or LCPB (which reduces mana cost of spells) so neither would affect my abilities.
MAYBE it's that buffs are wearing off, but I wasn't paying attention to that, and I think it happened too often for that to be the case.
#7 Apr 08 2008 at 12:39 PM Rating: Good
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Huh. No trinkets, no hiding downranked roots on my bars, and I had changed gear before the battle.

..but I logging on last night and experimented with the mobs outside Shatt. I had no issues over writing my own roots. Guess it was just a freak bug. O.o
#8 Apr 09 2008 at 7:25 AM Rating: Decent
I've had the same issue while doing the Daily at Bash'ir Landing in BEM. Can't re-root until the previous spell has expired. I'm resto and don't have anything that would be affecting roots - trinkets, buffs, or otherwise.
#9 Apr 11 2008 at 12:20 PM Rating: Decent
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I also get that issue. I'm feral (0/50/11) and I don't have any gear with +spell damage and I hadn't used any trinket when I sent the first root. I couldn't re-root until the first one wore off.

I did eventually burn him down but by sheer luck. I was oom, used up inn and mana pot and he was still up at 3% with root still on. The dot from the root (all spoell damage increased by 4 or 5x on this one) and he died. I was just lucky.

The entire chain of quest excluding H-Seth took under 4 hours which included a trip to AH for some herbs, 3 corpse run, and a long duel with an hostile rogue.
#10 Apr 14 2008 at 12:48 PM Rating: Good
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I will take a stab at this.

I'm gonna say that you had an improved Divine Spirit buff and it wore off during the middle of the battle, making the new roots weaker than the previous application.

Likely? No. Possible? YES!

It's Monday. Cut me some slack.



#11 Apr 14 2008 at 4:37 PM Rating: Excellent
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thats actually the best theory ive heard so far.
#12 Apr 14 2008 at 5:20 PM Rating: Good
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::wrinkles her nose::

Dos priest spell? At least in my situation it's not the case, my only traveling companion is my pocket gnome fire mage hubby.

..Think it could have been because of Arcane Intellect? We always buff before a fight so it that was the case then shouldn't it have been applied to the first roots and the second and the third.. for 30 minutes? ..bah but that doesn't really make sense either. :>




Edited, Apr 14th 2008 9:24pm by GryphonStalker
#13 Apr 15 2008 at 7:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok. I'm confused now too. I was phased and fighting worms at Bashir Landing last night and the same thing happened to me with Rejuv.

#14 Apr 16 2008 at 1:23 AM Rating: Good
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the only reason your own spells wouldnt overwrite themselves is if some kind of +dmg and/or +healing effect was active on the initial cast and became non-active while attempting to refresh the spell.

reasons for why this could happen would be:

improved divine spirit wearing off
trinket effects wearing off
procced +dmg or +healing effects wearing off
temporary mob vulnerability effects turning off and on
weapon swaps (going from a higher +dmg or +healing weapon to a lower one)

check all those first before calling out any kind of bugs. i know a lot of druids have auto-weapon swap macros for form switching, and that combined with the current functionality of casting while in forms (doing so casts the spell as it ***** you out) may be interfering and causing this problem, in addition to the other things listed above.

if NONE of those things happened...then there may be a bug, and you should report it on the oboard bug report forums, with as much exact detail regarding your gearing and buffs and situation at the time said incident occurred.
#15 Apr 16 2008 at 10:50 PM Rating: Good
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I've had a similar problem, but only when trying to overwrite the Entangling Roots cast by my Nature's Grasp ability. That's the only time I see that error message.
#16 Apr 18 2008 at 7:22 AM Rating: Decent
I think I realized what the problem is now.

I started getting the glitch myself and I realized that in 2.4 or 2.3, they made it so other druids can't over-write your CC thorns/cyclone/Hibernate. What's probably happening is the 'fix' is causing you to be unable to over-write your own, due to some error or unforeseen conflict.

I can only speculate what the actual cause is, but I haven't been able to over-write my own roots for a long time, and it happens everywhere. I'll see if the WoW forums have anything on it.
#17 Apr 20 2008 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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JaxomZero wrote:
I think I realized what the problem is now.

I started getting the glitch myself and I realized that in 2.4 or 2.3, they made it so other druids can't over-write your CC thorns/cyclone/Hibernate. What's probably happening is the 'fix' is causing you to be unable to over-write your own, due to some error or unforeseen conflict.

I can only speculate what the actual cause is, but I haven't been able to over-write my own roots for a long time, and it happens everywhere. I'll see if the WoW forums have anything on it.


You might be right, but I don't think this is a druid-specific thing. Just this morning, I couldn't buff my mage with his own Arcane Intellect because a more powerful spell was in its place, though they were both for 40 Intellect.
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