I've been using Outfitter... pretty much the dum dum setup, outfit for the stances, outfit for riding, for BG... yadda yadda yadda...
now, here i am, i am MT'ing maiden... instead of running through, i like to try to run up and spam charge+def stance macro button... but...
1) can we actually charge or get close enough to charge to a boss or their aggro range is so big that by the time i'm in range, i'm in combat already? iirc as soon as i pick up aggro, i'm in combat, right? hence making charge null...
2) outfitter changes my outfit for DPS gear in Battle and Zerker, tank gear in Def Stance... so if 1) i CAN charge at a boss, then outfitter will basically get me stuck on a boss in my DPS gear, less than 490 Def... hmm... may work for bosses like Aran, but i rather not be in DPS gear as i'm MT'ing some bosses, right?
hmm....
so i can disable outfitter auto gear swap in stances... then keybind gear and i guess i can spam macro to charge+def stance... righ?
now... can we charge at bosses?
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I would say it depend on the boss. Some don't have an actual aggro radius. Some will aggro as soon you step on the stairs or in the room. Some other boss can be charged.
Usually as a tanking warrior, I seldom charge to start a fight. The bonus rage is kinda offset by the lost of rage while changing from battle to defensive stance. You could put point in tactical mastery but it's a waste IMO since you spend 95% of the time in defensive stance as a prot warrior.
Best thing to do is to pull in defensive stance, hit bloodrage and shield block before the mob gets to you and go from there with your usual rotation.
Edited, Apr 7th 2008 1:37pm by feelz
Usually as a tanking warrior, I seldom charge to start a fight. The bonus rage is kinda offset by the lost of rage while changing from battle to defensive stance. You could put point in tactical mastery but it's a waste IMO since you spend 95% of the time in defensive stance as a prot warrior.
Best thing to do is to pull in defensive stance, hit bloodrage and shield block before the mob gets to you and go from there with your usual rotation.
Edited, Apr 7th 2008 1:37pm by feelz
Or better yet, pull with Misdirect, pop bloodrage when going in, and just hit Shield Slam or Devastate as an opener.
i never, ever, never charge at a boss.
i learned this once when we were raiding MC a million years ago.
i charged a hound, my charged resisted, i charged directly through and very far past him. he proceeded to pick off the raid members and most died by the time i ran back enough that intercept was in range to use.
from then till now i swap to defensive stance, pop bloodrage, and run at a mob, with my finger hovering over the shield slam hotkey.
charging saves about 2 seconds.
i would rather run 40 feet to a mob to save 2 seconds this wayi "know" that i'll have aggro and a happy raid
i learned this once when we were raiding MC a million years ago.
i charged a hound, my charged resisted, i charged directly through and very far past him. he proceeded to pick off the raid members and most died by the time i ran back enough that intercept was in range to use.
from then till now i swap to defensive stance, pop bloodrage, and run at a mob, with my finger hovering over the shield slam hotkey.
charging saves about 2 seconds.
i would rather run 40 feet to a mob to save 2 seconds this wayi "know" that i'll have aggro and a happy raid
got it... thanks...
YOU CAN CHARGE MAIDEN! Just start in zerker stance, hit bloodrage and use INTERCEPT (it works whether you're in combat or not!) if you don't think you can do it, but you can charge maiden...
As for outfitter...uhh...probably best not to use it since you dont want to tank her in dps gear. As for aran, you should be in your DPS gear period. Oh..get rid of the stance changing gear fitting thing. It's good if you know what you're going to do and don't have to change stances. Nightbane for example, you need to stance dance to avoid fears (by using berserker rage)...thats if you can't get a fearward or w/e, but stance dancing is better imo, because if you don't, then you know the reason why the group just wiped.
As for outfitter...uhh...probably best not to use it since you dont want to tank her in dps gear. As for aran, you should be in your DPS gear period. Oh..get rid of the stance changing gear fitting thing. It's good if you know what you're going to do and don't have to change stances. Nightbane for example, you need to stance dance to avoid fears (by using berserker rage)...thats if you can't get a fearward or w/e, but stance dancing is better imo, because if you don't, then you know the reason why the group just wiped.
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absolutely no reason to ever charge a boss. the rage gain is minimal, and usually means taking at least one hit while in Battle Stance, giving the healers more to heal off the bat, leading to more healer aggro , leading to you having to work harder to get some good initial aggro laid down, needing more rage, thereby negating the whole reason for charging in the first place.
I would agree with PigeonMan. While prot specced, theres no need for the stance changing outfits. I found a far better way was to just make a Tank Kit , and a Tank DPS kit , have em on two buttons and then just click whichever suits the situation, so Tank kit 95% of the time , then for say, Aran click on your Tank DPS kit and bash on him for a while, with no fear of your weapons changing.
I would agree with PigeonMan. While prot specced, theres no need for the stance changing outfits. I found a far better way was to just make a Tank Kit , and a Tank DPS kit , have em on two buttons and then just click whichever suits the situation, so Tank kit 95% of the time , then for say, Aran click on your Tank DPS kit and bash on him for a while, with no fear of your weapons changing.
If you decide to charge a boss you can spam charge, and spam Def Stance and you'll actually get to the boss in Def Stance. Just my 2c
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but... unless you have specced TM,,charging and switching to def stance will again negate the reason for charging in the first place, rage.
Edited, Apr 9th 2008 6:05am by Hatefiend
Edited, Apr 9th 2008 6:05am by Hatefiend
keep charging Bosses or high end raid mobs Pigeon man...
i cant wait till you report back how it was resisted and you were completely flamed for wiping the raid because you couldn't get BACK to the boss fast enough.
its straight up not a good thing to do.
a good tank, swaps to defensive stance, hits bloodrage and runs to the mob.
this Guarantees!! instant threat if your DPS knows their *** from their elbow.
Kara is raiding light as people have mentioned.
so into SSC / TK and charge one of those bosses.
loose / loose situation.
i cant wait till you report back how it was resisted and you were completely flamed for wiping the raid because you couldn't get BACK to the boss fast enough.
its straight up not a good thing to do.
a good tank, swaps to defensive stance, hits bloodrage and runs to the mob.
this Guarantees!! instant threat if your DPS knows their *** from their elbow.
Kara is raiding light as people have mentioned.
so into SSC / TK and charge one of those bosses.
loose / loose situation.
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but... unless you have specced TM,,charging and switching to def stance will again negate the reason for charging in the first place, rage.
I'm pretty sure getting hit by a boss gives rage.
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keep charging Bosses or high end raid mobs Pigeon man...
i cant wait till you report back how it was resisted and you were completely flamed for wiping the raid because you couldn't get BACK to the boss fast enough.
i cant wait till you report back how it was resisted and you were completely flamed for wiping the raid because you couldn't get BACK to the boss fast enough.
Good comeback...bravo. When did I say I was going to charge a high end raid mob or boss? I didn't, so read before you post. Also I was replying to the OP in regards to Maiden, so again you phail. Oh...you only resist the stun effect of charge which isn't the point of charge on a boss (which I never said to use but in this one instance in which I merely stated that it was possible). You obviously haven't been too far past Karazhan have you?
I'm sure I've charged maiden, had her resist it and still had enough rage to put a devestate, TC or something to hold aggro. I'm also pretty sure that I have done the switch fast enough to keep the rage I had when I charged.
Lastly, if you would have checked the Armory link you would know I am not a tank, but that doesn't mean I haven't tanked! I'm willing to bet my tank set is better than yours! Please phail some more ok?
I'm currently tanking T5 content at the moment.
I haven't been to a real Kara clear in ages aside from one left over boss kill (Nightbane) last week, from our badge farming guild team.
1st, if your charge resists, you don't get hit, you get no rage. simple. people think charging is great because of the instant rage gain. it's minimal compared to popping Bloodrage, running up and smacking something.
I do not check people armory's. Its not something I choose to invest time into.
2nd.
So, if your not a main tank, then why are you giving awful advice about charging at a boss?
Charging at a boss = a failing strat as a main tank sir. Plan and simple.
Regardless of how fast you can switch stances, or press your devastate hotkey, it will eventually bite you in the ***. Eventually the charge will be resisted, (not the stun, all bosses are immune to the stun) and you will fly right through the boss and very far past them. it will happen. I've had it happen to me, hence why i don't do it anymore.
As far as my credibility as a tank.
I've been main tanking since 2006.(ZG, MC, AQ20, Ony, first few bosses of AQ40) way before TBC was a thought. So i am a tank, and will continue to be one.
I'm so far behind in TBC raid progression because my wife and I had a baby, so i took months off from the game. I had to join a guild lower in progression and work with them to build it up, which its going great so far.
Thanks for your time.
Edited, Apr 10th 2008 8:56am by SHEDri
I haven't been to a real Kara clear in ages aside from one left over boss kill (Nightbane) last week, from our badge farming guild team.
1st, if your charge resists, you don't get hit, you get no rage. simple. people think charging is great because of the instant rage gain. it's minimal compared to popping Bloodrage, running up and smacking something.
I do not check people armory's. Its not something I choose to invest time into.
2nd.
So, if your not a main tank, then why are you giving awful advice about charging at a boss?
Charging at a boss = a failing strat as a main tank sir. Plan and simple.
Regardless of how fast you can switch stances, or press your devastate hotkey, it will eventually bite you in the ***. Eventually the charge will be resisted, (not the stun, all bosses are immune to the stun) and you will fly right through the boss and very far past them. it will happen. I've had it happen to me, hence why i don't do it anymore.
As far as my credibility as a tank.
I've been main tanking since 2006.(ZG, MC, AQ20, Ony, first few bosses of AQ40) way before TBC was a thought. So i am a tank, and will continue to be one.
I'm so far behind in TBC raid progression because my wife and I had a baby, so i took months off from the game. I had to join a guild lower in progression and work with them to build it up, which its going great so far.
Thanks for your time.
Edited, Apr 10th 2008 8:56am by SHEDri
It's not awful advice really. If the guy wants to know if he has the ability to charge bosses, well yeah..he does. Did I say it was a staple in tanking? Nope! I know what you're getting at but you still get some aggro from the boss (I'M TALKING ABOUT MAIDEN ONLY). Maiden is a positioning fight and if you charge, it resists, and someone pulls aggro, they went way too early imo. Now, you can run up to Maiden and do the same thing. But the question wasn't "can I run to maiden?" That's just a question waiting to get flamed. The fact of the matter is you can charge maiden and most bosses. I never once condoned doing it! Except maybe in maiden if you really want to. Most pulls are done by a MD from the Hunter to the Tank.
Don't be quick to judge me because I'm merely answering the OP's question. I know he said 'bosses' but I was simply replying to the 2nd paragraph of his post. The answer is YES. Plain and simple sir! Would I do it? Yes because that's me...and I've done it a few times before.
You haven't done a kara clear for quite a while? Cool, I'm glad you're focusing on progression. I run kara on the weekends with my guildies just for quick bagdes.
So, to reiterate. You can charge maiden and a few bosses. (hydross maybe? using intercept? I can't remember if our tank does or not, been a while since I've been in SSC) Should you charge bosses? NO! SHEDri makes valid points as to why.
Gratz on the baby btw. (I'm not really a bad person!)
CAN I HAS CANDY?
Don't be quick to judge me because I'm merely answering the OP's question. I know he said 'bosses' but I was simply replying to the 2nd paragraph of his post. The answer is YES. Plain and simple sir! Would I do it? Yes because that's me...and I've done it a few times before.
You haven't done a kara clear for quite a while? Cool, I'm glad you're focusing on progression. I run kara on the weekends with my guildies just for quick bagdes.
So, to reiterate. You can charge maiden and a few bosses. (hydross maybe? using intercept? I can't remember if our tank does or not, been a while since I've been in SSC) Should you charge bosses? NO! SHEDri makes valid points as to why.
Gratz on the baby btw. (I'm not really a bad person!)
CAN I HAS CANDY?
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