So we get to the final boss in BM. The tank was a Druid. I checked his gear, he had the set of Clefthoof stuff, the gems could have used some work (since that gear last a while from what I've read).
Anyway, the dragon does his stun, I had 3 stack of LB, Rejuv, and Regrowth on the tank when that happened, He gets low in HP, I SM+RJ that barely made a difference. He spikes damage again, this time I NS+Healing Touch, again, maybe 4k healed (not much a difference).
I pop'd both my trinkets, kept LB on him, had elixir of healing and Wizards oil... still could not keep him up.
Here's a link to my armory GyfDruid I just respec'd to Resto a couple of days ago.
Healing is +885, MP5 is 318. I can roll two LBs at a time all day long... but my burst healing is killing me.
Any suggestions? Thanks for the help.
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Combination of both I would imagine. Not "bad healer" just like you say, not great burst healing (but in fact, during time lapse druids are the kings of keeping a tank up, since noone else can efficiently heal while stunned). 800 isn't a lot of healing though :x
He shouldn't have been taking THAT much damage that he was that close to death after a short time lapse (assuming you had HoTs up), and/or your hots needed to be doing more to keep him closer to topped before the time lapse starts.
He shouldn't have been taking THAT much damage that he was that close to death after a short time lapse (assuming you had HoTs up), and/or your hots needed to be doing more to keep him closer to topped before the time lapse starts.
Should I have just stay'd out of ToL form for that fight? I was in a group a few times when getting my Warrior geared, and we had a ToL healer, some fights he would stay out of ToL.
I asked why, he said because he would not be able to keep the spike damage if he stayed in ToL.
I always assumed that ToL HoTs would just keep the tank up. I honestly don't know why it did not either. I had just ran BM with my guild (as a welcome to healing group), and did ok... we did have our KZ/ZA healer shammy there as DPS and Back up healing... I asked him how much he was backing me up, and he said not much at all... only when the boss enraged spiked damage hit.
Lol, I might just be a bad healer, it's still very new to me. I've died a few times from watching everyone's HP bars... except for mine lol (being a tank, I expect tanks to keep the mobs off the healers
I have all my macros NS+HT, SM+Rejuv, Lifebloom on the tank, and one for LB on the OT (if I ever run KZ with my Druid for my guild).
I was getting the hang of it, and actually got a compliment in OHB lol, that party was a nightmare, spread out damage everywhere. Kept them all up (but that's easy in OHB).
I asked why, he said because he would not be able to keep the spike damage if he stayed in ToL.
I always assumed that ToL HoTs would just keep the tank up. I honestly don't know why it did not either. I had just ran BM with my guild (as a welcome to healing group), and did ok... we did have our KZ/ZA healer shammy there as DPS and Back up healing... I asked him how much he was backing me up, and he said not much at all... only when the boss enraged spiked damage hit.
Lol, I might just be a bad healer, it's still very new to me. I've died a few times from watching everyone's HP bars... except for mine lol (being a tank, I expect tanks to keep the mobs off the healers
I have all my macros NS+HT, SM+Rejuv, Lifebloom on the tank, and one for LB on the OT (if I ever run KZ with my Druid for my guild). I was getting the hang of it, and actually got a compliment in OHB lol, that party was a nightmare, spread out damage everywhere. Kept them all up (but that's easy in OHB).
Might want to straighten out your resto tree a little bit. There is no point in having 5/5 Naturalist, especially when you don't have 3/3 Nat. Shapeshifter AND expect to cast HT quite often because of your lack of +heal.
I'd take those points and put them into both Natural Shapeshifter and Imp. Tranquility, especially since you decided to go with Tranquil Spirit, making both Tranquility and HT rather cheap.
That way you can use a perfectly safe tranquility if everybody has taken considerable damage, and it won't affect your mana pool that much if you switch between tree and caster form to get a bigger heal on a single target.
I'd take those points and put them into both Natural Shapeshifter and Imp. Tranquility, especially since you decided to go with Tranquil Spirit, making both Tranquility and HT rather cheap.
That way you can use a perfectly safe tranquility if everybody has taken considerable damage, and it won't affect your mana pool that much if you switch between tree and caster form to get a bigger heal on a single target.
Yeah, I might do that. I chose a raid set up example build, for the multi rejuv and LBs (since I'm hoping to not tank a KZ or DPS with my hunter, and get my Druid in there soon) XD Just waiting for my chance. I'm sure I can keep people up for Maiden's AoE, I'd sure try to keep ppl up for Nightbane rain of bones. I still have a looooong way to go on +heal, I need to print off another list to see what I should shoot for next. I also need enchants and that spell cloth enchant thingy, as well as rep enchants (Thrallmar?) and my Scryer enchant. I was hoping to get better gear 1st.
I heal COT2 in tree form regularly. There is a spawn that throws around curses like Sam Kinnison. For those (usually only 2 or 3 the whole run) I stay in caster form. Other than those, I've never had any trouble healing.
885 isn't up to Kara or Heroics level, but is more than sufficient for the normal 70 instances. My guess would be the tank either didn't have sufficient armor or HP (or both). Druid tanks need the huge HP pools to absorb the spikes while our heals catch up (where warriors and pallys need less because of thier shields).
885 isn't up to Kara or Heroics level, but is more than sufficient for the normal 70 instances. My guess would be the tank either didn't have sufficient armor or HP (or both). Druid tanks need the huge HP pools to absorb the spikes while our heals catch up (where warriors and pallys need less because of thier shields).
Not having HT hurts in 5-mans if you don't out-gear the instance. I have over 1850 +healing unbuffed and I go through half of Heroic MgT in caster form.
In most level 70 instances, I believe around 1000-1300 is where you'll find HoTs really do what you want them to do (at least that's the numbers presented on wowheads sticky). While you WERE playing the HoT druid very well, it doesn't seem to have been enough for that fight, and maybe you'd want to switch to caster form.
There are fights where I stay caster form, the two most notable are attumen (curses FTL) or the 2-headed ogre in Shattered halls (aggro drop + HoT = pain). HoT's are great for when getting thrown around, stunned, silenced, etc...but dont really provide much burst damage. My guild just downed mag for the first time, and Omen showed me as having 3.5k threat at the end of the fight, even though I kept lifebloom and rejuv rolling the whole time (that means pretty much 8.75k healing), because whenever the tank would take a spike they'd get topped off by one of the many other healers. But hey, on most pulls I'm doing more healing than the priest who at the time had 400 more +damage than me.
There are fights where I stay caster form, the two most notable are attumen (curses FTL) or the 2-headed ogre in Shattered halls (aggro drop + HoT = pain). HoT's are great for when getting thrown around, stunned, silenced, etc...but dont really provide much burst damage. My guild just downed mag for the first time, and Omen showed me as having 3.5k threat at the end of the fight, even though I kept lifebloom and rejuv rolling the whole time (that means pretty much 8.75k healing), because whenever the tank would take a spike they'd get topped off by one of the many other healers. But hey, on most pulls I'm doing more healing than the priest who at the time had 400 more +damage than me.
Awesome, thanks for all the help guys. My guildies are going to run SV with me for rep (get my cowl, until I farm the mend clothie helm/legs), I pretty much think I'll stay out of ToL form for the giant bog lord things... they still hit me like a truck on my Warrior.
Thinking about that fight, I should have noticed that the tank's HP was constantly declining (which I did notice), but due to inexperience as a healer, I did not change out of ToL and spam HT/rejuv/LB
That was my 1st experience with burst damage... even tho I read about it in numerous post (which all said NS+HT and Rejuv+SM and you'll be ok), I was not prepared lol.
Burst damage- 1, Gyfford- 0
Thinking about that fight, I should have noticed that the tank's HP was constantly declining (which I did notice), but due to inexperience as a healer, I did not change out of ToL and spam HT/rejuv/LB
That was my 1st experience with burst damage... even tho I read about it in numerous post (which all said NS+HT and Rejuv+SM and you'll be ok), I was not prepared lol. Burst damage- 1, Gyfford- 0
I assume you have your rep up to date, correct?
You can increase some of your equipment with litlle money only with rep equipments:
Windcaller Orb: CE exalted, and a good off-hand
Gavel of Pure Light: Sha'tar exalted. really great mace before prince and maiden mace.
Apexis Cloak: Ogri'mar revered. A good starter cloak
Ring of Convalescence: Honor hold revered. One of the best rings before raid equipment
Lower City Prayerbook: Lower City revered. Again, one of the best trinkets before raid equipment.
You will want some enchantments too. I recomend you to get the major healing for weapon and glove, superior healing for bracers and, maybe, healing power for your rings. Those are not really spensive enchantments, maybe just a litlle.
Then, you should start going to kara and try some heroics.
There's a healing gear list in druidwiki that I think it's really good:
http://druid.wikispaces.com/Healing+Gear+List
Don't take it as it is, there are equipments that focus in one thing while you need another, but it's a good place to have a look once in a while.
You can increase some of your equipment with litlle money only with rep equipments:
Windcaller Orb: CE exalted, and a good off-hand
Gavel of Pure Light: Sha'tar exalted. really great mace before prince and maiden mace.
Apexis Cloak: Ogri'mar revered. A good starter cloak
Ring of Convalescence: Honor hold revered. One of the best rings before raid equipment
Lower City Prayerbook: Lower City revered. Again, one of the best trinkets before raid equipment.
You will want some enchantments too. I recomend you to get the major healing for weapon and glove, superior healing for bracers and, maybe, healing power for your rings. Those are not really spensive enchantments, maybe just a litlle.
Then, you should start going to kara and try some heroics.
There's a healing gear list in druidwiki that I think it's really good:
http://druid.wikispaces.com/Healing+Gear+List
Don't take it as it is, there are equipments that focus in one thing while you need another, but it's a good place to have a look once in a while.
AstarintheDruid wrote:
Not having HT hurts in 5-mans if you don't out-gear the instance. I have over 1850 +healing unbuffed and I go through half of Heroic MgT in caster form.
Then u are doing something really wrong. i stay the whole instance in tree-form without problems. maybe for an instant HT and afterwards right back into tree-form
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was your tank uncrittable?? maybe that was the reason why he got so much spike damage. in lvl 70 instances this should be prio 1 for a tank.
It's just too easy to blame the tank or healer when things go wrong, even though there are quite a few bosses (Aeonus being one of them) where you get into serious trouble when DPS simply isn't high enough.
Since you mentioned the stun:
If you have the PvP trinket, you might want to start equipping it when you do instances (or just enter parts of them) where you have to expect being incapacitated. I can't remember all places from the top of my head, but Aeonus is a fight where the trinket is worth all the honor points you had to spend on it. Then there is Mechanar, where you might be put under anesthetic poison. In Botanica you might get polymorphed if you have to get out of tree form during the pulls right after Thorngrin. There are probably a couple more places where being free to move and cast is worth more than +50 heal or whatever you might get out of your trinket(s)
Something else you could do to boost your healing is to pop a trinket early. Lifebloom will continue to tick at the higher value as long as you don't allow it to bloom.
Since you mentioned the stun:
If you have the PvP trinket, you might want to start equipping it when you do instances (or just enter parts of them) where you have to expect being incapacitated. I can't remember all places from the top of my head, but Aeonus is a fight where the trinket is worth all the honor points you had to spend on it. Then there is Mechanar, where you might be put under anesthetic poison. In Botanica you might get polymorphed if you have to get out of tree form during the pulls right after Thorngrin. There are probably a couple more places where being free to move and cast is worth more than +50 heal or whatever you might get out of your trinket(s)
Something else you could do to boost your healing is to pop a trinket early. Lifebloom will continue to tick at the higher value as long as you don't allow it to bloom.
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Something else you could do to boost your healing is to pop a trinket early. Lifebloom will continue to tick at the higher value as long as you don't allow it to bloom.
I read on Elitestjerks that they nerfed that in the patch? It now will not do that, if it still does I'll pop it at the beginning of every fight, I can roll LBs all day (got my tank on a LB macro, so no matter what I'm targeting I just clicky the macro lol). I'll have to triple check that I read that right
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was your tank uncrittable?? maybe that was the reason why he got so much spike damage. in lvl 70 instances this should be prio 1 for a tank.
Honestly I don't know. He did not have the CE staff... but I would not really expect that. He did have full set of Clefthoof armor, I really did not check the other gear much. He did not use rare gems, and Stam was something like 11,000ish? Seemed a bit low, but I only really know Warrior tanking (13k = Heroic ready).
All and all they were cool about it. We gave it two shots, got back to him, unbuffed, him at full HP, us at 1/2 mp/hp.... not the brighest move ever...of course if we could not get him at full mp/hp, we did not on round #2 lol. I got a few guildies that will use their cloth CD for that whitemend stuff, I just need to farm mats for my Xmute primal mights.
I'll get there, I know I can heal Bot... which has a lot of items I need, as well as rep. I just need to get some CE and Thrallmar rep for more goodies... I think I'll be ok, just taking a while to get on the learning curve. Why they give LB so late in the game I'll never know... really no time to practice thru the levels.
Guild runs we usually only have 1 CC, one of our warlocks refuses to use Seduce and she's always in my group as a "second CC". There's too much magic damage on some of the larger pulls to heal it reliably with just HoTs and swiftmend.
Yeah, lifebloom was changed so that every time you recast it it uses your current +healing for all stacks.
Yeah, lifebloom was changed so that every time you recast it it uses your current +healing for all stacks.
WoWWiki wrote:
Patch 2.3.2: The healing bonus is no longer based on the first cast but will take on the strength of the incoming Lifebloom casts.
I've resto healed BM several times during my previous life as a tree (since respecced to Feral, however) and I did it successfully many times with just +600 healing, even on Aeoneus. I had the pleasure of healing good tanks... which is where I think your issue might be. It was manageable for me to keep my whole group alive from portals 1 thru 18, and they were in average pre-Kara gear back then but most of my tanks were uncrittable. I relied on rolling HoT's in tree-form almost exclusively but found myself popping out into caster form for the occassional nuke heal (I think two times on one of the runs).
If your tank is not uncrittable and gets critted too often, or if his gear's substandard, it makes a lot of difference. In any case, you can and should be able to heal thru non-heroic BM with 600 +healing or better.
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Edited, Apr 9th 2008 2:41pm by TooRetForYou
Edited, Apr 9th 2008 2:42pm by TooRetForYou
If your tank is not uncrittable and gets critted too often, or if his gear's substandard, it makes a lot of difference. In any case, you can and should be able to heal thru non-heroic BM with 600 +healing or better.
EDIT: spelling
Edited, Apr 9th 2008 2:41pm by TooRetForYou
Edited, Apr 9th 2008 2:42pm by TooRetForYou
Well I ran it twice today for a guild member that was doing the Elixir master quest. My hands were shaking lol.
Our tank was a guild tank that co-tanked Bearboss with me from ZA Tuesday night. So I really can't count that as a 'win' for Gyfdruid in BM. We cleared it with zero problems, I kept everyone topped off on HP, and no deaths.
I'm still not saying it was the tank. Like I said he had all the Clefthoof gear which last thru heroics from what I've read. I don't know what his defense was.
I'm sure I messed up staying in tree form for the full fight. I should have spammed healing touch until things were safe. So I'm still taking the blame for the wipe... for the most part
Our tank was a guild tank that co-tanked Bearboss with me from ZA Tuesday night. So I really can't count that as a 'win' for Gyfdruid in BM. We cleared it with zero problems, I kept everyone topped off on HP, and no deaths.
I'm still not saying it was the tank. Like I said he had all the Clefthoof gear which last thru heroics from what I've read. I don't know what his defense was.
I'm sure I messed up staying in tree form for the full fight. I should have spammed healing touch until things were safe. So I'm still taking the blame for the wipe... for the most part
I ran BM heroics many times, even as a feral-healer and had never a problem keeping a blue-equipped tank up.
The most difficult situation was Temporus before the nerf, when the heal-reduction could go till 80% or something like that. Aeonus was never a problem.
It's especially easy for a druid cause u can keep your hots up when stunned.
And as i said. I healed this boss many times feral-specced with about 500-600 +heal.
The most difficult situation was Temporus before the nerf, when the heal-reduction could go till 80% or something like that. Aeonus was never a problem.
It's especially easy for a druid cause u can keep your hots up when stunned.
And as i said. I healed this boss many times feral-specced with about 500-600 +heal.
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Undergeared. I can't speak to the tank... But you could use more +heal and more mp5 while casting. Stay in tree form until you MUST pop out for HT, then go back. The mana you use shifting will be made up in the amount you save with the mana cost reduction of ToL. Now that HT pops you out of ToL instantly, no time is lost, no reason not to be in that form. As for curses, ask a mage to de-curse if you have one. Otherwise, look at the debuff, and if it is mild enough (and most are including Attumen), just push through without removing it. Get Healbot or another frames and click heal type setup. Once you learn a good UI, your healing will become much more efficient. I use a setup where left click is rejuv and right click is swiftmend, center click is lifebloom and I can quickly execute my most used heals.
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