Bm to SvFollow

I've been a Beastmaster for about a year now, and have been contemplating a respec to Survival over the last few days.

While perusing some suggested builds, I tweaked one slightly to suit my preferences a little more.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=cZVVbRVzZIhoMxcMhAuh


My guild has quite a few hunters, and I think they are all pretty much Bm spec (of one kind or another). Progression wise we have 3.5 groups in Kara, and if we get all the top people in one group can clear it. We have started into ZA and Gruul as well, so I'm thinking the Sv buffs will still be quite helpful.


Anyways, I've never tried Survival, and the trapping/wyvern sting/scatter shot looks like it might be entertaining, while still being able to contribute my fair share of damage.

Why the 1 point in savage strikes though? Wouldn't that 1 point (to move up in the tree) be of better use in either entrapment or imp'd wing clip?

It depends on how much you want to respec and how much you're used for CC in kara. Also if you're doing heroics a lot as well.

If you're focusing on Gruul and beyond, North's is the way to go. If you still need to CC a lot, you're looking in the right direction or you can check out mine which is a little different.

If you want to be effective in PVP too without having to respec, I like the 0/21/40 build. You take marks down to scatter shot and survival down to wyvern sting.

Make sure you swap out all those hit rating gems for +agi. When you have 3/3 in surefooted you only need 94-96 hit rating. The exact number escapes me at the moment. You'll also want to either get +35 agi to your weapon or wait till you get a new one and enchant it.

Most have said that you'll want to wait for survival until you have 600+agi.

Enjoy Survival. It's funny as hell. Not the best soloing build, but funny as hell in instances and in raids.

I believe it would be funny if the hunter was standing in the middle of a bunch of mobs, three of them Freeze-trapped, and 2 of them Wyvern Stung. :-)
(this can be achieved with the Readiness talent)
You would have to think VERY carefully about your next move. It would almost assuredly include the Feign Death button.

This links back to the Hunter motivation poster thread nicely.

Edited, Apr 7th 2008 3:07am by Fraeky
(edit: Oops. Silly me. Can't have Scatter shot and Readiness in the same build.)

Edited, Apr 7th 2008 3:10am by Fraeky

Here is my SV build. I actually get about 2-3% more crit when I put my points in the MM (past aim shot) instead of SV. I don't have any problems with CC. 2 pts in clever trap are enough to get me by. I have ran Kara numerous times with this spec. Like everyone else says though, it varies based on the make of the part and your style of play. If you want a higher crit rate with the combination of agil, I believe this is the way to go. Good luck!


http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/hunter/talents.html?0000000000000000000000505231205011220000033300012500302300500200


Edited, Apr 14th 2008 1:19pm by joshbozarth

Edited, Apr 14th 2008 1:20pm by joshbozarth

Your opinion only matters if you are able to back it up. I'm not at all supporting that Talent spec, but I am calling you out for dogging it without providing any reason why other than that you saw it in some other thread and that you claim that it is worthless but have failed to provide any reasons to support your hypothesis.

I see 2/3 EW. This is a commonly accepted SV EW build, even if I believe that 3/3 is the way to go. In any event, he does indeed have EW in the posted build.

But thanks for supporting your position. I appreciate that.

once you get past something like 45-50% crit raidbuffed, you wont lose any uptime from going 2/3.
before that, if you want readiness try this

Agi pot = 2% to cirt
Agi scroll ~.5%
Feral Druid 5%
BoK on 750 Agi= ~2%

That's ~10% there without awesome gear for BoK to scale. Better gear and you're going to have better crit%, and BoK will give you even more.

Having 45-50% crit is not that big of a problem.
A SV hunter has this with T5 or T6 gear.
But speccing only 2/3 expose weakness is still not a good idea if you ask me.
I run with raid buffed ~47% crit at the moment and though EW is up a lot of the time, there are always some moments where it is not up. With only 67% proc chance you will decrease the uptime of expose weakness by a few percent.
This in itself is not that big a deal, but as a SV hunter where would you want to spend that talent point? In a raiding spec you don't really need that talent point. You won't need wyvern sting or scatter shot.

By the way. Why does the hunter you have linked have readiness and master tactician? Since I respecced to improved aspect of the hawk six months ago, I really don't want to miss that talent anymore.

I'm not so much on EJ forums, so I missed that discussion.
Surely 20/41 is easier since you have less haste to deal with.
In my opinion macro spamming is somewhat dumb (especially doing it for up to 7 hours).
But 20/41 also does rely on no haste procs to maintain a 3:2 rotation (man, would my DST **** up that rotation). An extra rapid fire or two is nice, but then you have to adapt your rotation back to a 1:1 for that time.
All in all does not sound very appealing to me.
I tried 20/41 for some time with a 3:2 rotation. But whenever there is haste around, the rotation does not work anymore and you have to use a 1:1 or you have a 3:2 with somewhat clipped or delayed autoshots.

Since I could not rid myself from all haste buffs I decided to go for haste procs and changed to 5/20/36.
Currently I have a 2.9 speed weapon and the following possible haste buffs:
- DST (20%)
- IAotH (15%)
- Leatherworking drums (~7%)
- rapid fire (30%)
- heroism (30%)

Depending on which haste buffs are active I change my rotation.
Not hasted: 3:2 (up to 15% haste)
somewhat hasted: 1:1 (> 15% haste)
really fast: 1:2 (DST proccing with IAotH while having heroism or rapid fire active brings down my auto-shot speed to 1.0).

Speccing 20/41 would only remove the IAotH from that list of haste. And exchanging improved hawk for an extra rapid fire and ~2% crit is not worth it in my oppinion (and of course I hope for my 4pc T6 bonus, but still two items to go).