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You know, I was ignoring this thread for a while, but what the hell; it should be fun!

What experience, again? You've got no active teams, no S3 shoulders, and not a lot else. What teams were you on? Who were your partners? When was this mythical arena success?



Slightly more nuanced (and you know, accurate) answer: Executioner in 3v3 or 5v5, Savagery in 2v2. Against the targets you'll be on in 2v2, you will have sufficient time to fully Sunder the target, in which case Executioner is putting you well over their maximum amount of armor; against the few targets that will have more armor (Resto Shamans/Holyadins, and Druids in Bear Form... plus other Warriors), there's enough that Savagery is going to net more damage than Executioner will anyway due to ArPen's scalar nature.

This applies to the standard Healer/Warrior 2v2 combo, of course; if you're on a 2x DPS team you probably won't have time for five Sunder stacks, but if you're on a zerg team in 2v2 as a Warrior you have other problems.



This one is a little more tricky. In 2x Healer, Warrior you may get hit, a lot; playing with a Druid and a Paladin to over 2k (see: Shoulders. They're proof! We've since stopped playing since we're points-capped, but... you know, proof?). People will tend to stick someone to stop you from mucking about and someone on your more vulnerable healer - in my case, it's the Druid, but for the better 2x Healer comp it'd be the Priest. Enrage gets a lot of play for me; if you're running Druid/Priest you may be better off with ER, but not for anything involving a Paladin.

Something else about stances.

I usually don't put them directly on my hotbar, I use bongo's primarily, and just use shift 1 (!) for battle, shift 2 (@) for defensive and shift 3 (#) for zerker. I haven't had my hand cramp all that much up either from using ctrl alt and shift for single hand operation.

But i used to use something like the below setup before I found bongo's.

something like

 
     1   2   3   4 
     q   w   e   r 
     a   s   d   f 
shft z   x   c   v 
           spacebar

1; battle stance
2; defensive
3; 'zerker
4; battle shout
q; charge/intercept macro
w; MS
e; Hamstring
r; piercing howl
a; sidestep left
s; move forward
d; sidestep right
f; target announce macro
z; target last target
x; walk backwards
c; target next target
v; spell reflect macro

shift; team speak/vent toggle
space; target announce macro


A side note or two. Having a good stable vent server makes target announcing slightly easier. But I've played with many people who lack headsets and the $20+ dollars to to get a decent one worth buying. Having a headset that doesn't make pop/zing/hiss noises will make your teammates not want you to die so often.

using a target announce macro helps, but isn't necessary. I also made a bunch of /yells that where funny to make the opposing team read them and stall a little, maybe laugh. Don't know if it helped, haven't played serious pvp in months (eve is currently pwning my game addiction), but I sure felt better after spamming a short yell macro, I felt pretty good at least knowing they felt 'something' after outright murdering me and my team. Since I was in a strict PvE guild for long enough, I didn't have time to PvP alot, and thus was in PvE gear doing PvP, with a PvE spec... Just like everyone else on my team.

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Quit being so stupid, you fascist pathetic piece of crap who has delusions about being the reeking piece of crap and the illiterate clansman.

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Great, so you haven't played competitively in... what, nine months? Thanks for clarifying that, it certainly strengthens your position. I mean, it's not like PvP has changed at all since then; no siree! It's the exact same environment as it was in S1.

Merciless Gladiator? Partial credit for that, as some of the changes that really hit in S3 were starting to develop at the end of S2. Gladiator? It's a whole different game now, dumbass.



Easily.

They don't if you're, you know, not awful. Playing Warrior/Shaman in 2v2 (and yes, in S3! You know, something that would be relevant today) to right around 2k the only time Sunders should drop off is fighting against a Druid on Blade's Edge. Any other map or opponent and you should be able to sustain them the entire match... and Executioner is awful against Druids because of the amount of time you spend, yes, CC'd. It's not up for the first few hits and will have worn off by the time you close with the Druid once again.



Hence the emphasis on 'nuance', or knowing what you're doing. Giving a simple answer is great, assuming it's accurate. Giving an inaccurate and simple answer is just moronic.

And yes, quite a few people do just play 2's for their PvP team, especially when they're starting out.

Edited, Apr 20th 2008 10:09pm by RPZip

And you don't get Gladiator from S2, so... what? I'll read an Armory but I'm not going to go track you down in La-La Land because you don't know the difference between titles.

And again, you haven't PvPed seriously this season. Grats on partial credit, but... really, there are differences between seasons. One of them, since it's been brought up, is the importance of Executioner.



Sorry, so you're going with two completely contradictory statements here? Sure thing.

Keeping a Sunder up on a Shaman or Paladin is not hard at all. Applying it is slightly harder, but not massively so. It's especially not hard with a Shaman in your group, except against a Druid, and mostly on BEM because with the Bridge kiting there's enough room for him to wipe the floor with your ***. On Lordaron and Nagrand there isn't enough room for him to evade you for 30 seconds straight unless you're doing something very, very wrong.

And even if you're on a Druid for the entirety of the match, Savagery is still better. In Bear Form they have sufficient armor to make Executioner worse than Savagery because of how ArPen scales, and in caster form they will have zero armor via Sunders if you're sticking on them. It's not a complex thought.



Oh noes!

Edited, Apr 21st 2008 1:57am by RPZip

Very much popcorn worthy. Very informative on pvp, but this forum battle is even more entertaining.



Had to point that out, I think you are getting a little jumbled yourself RP.

Anyway, carry on!

Wow you honestly are a dumbass. You're thinking of Merciless Gladiator, which was from getting #1 in Season 2, you can get Gladiator in both seasons and I got Gladiator in S2. Very impressive basic knowledge of Arena.



Keep sunders up on Paladins and Shamans is not easy as well...Paladins will eventually bubble or bop it off, and have you ever heard of pillar kiting? If the Paladin or Shaman's partner is not stupid, they will take the time to peel while the Paladin or Shaman kite you around a...PILLAR! It is more important to get MS + Hamstring back up rather than refreshing a Sunder which i highly doubt you will have any rage for. So it's not you that has to be doing something very wrong, the Paladin's partner can assist the Paladin extremely easily.



The difference in damage between Savagery and Executioner against high armor targets is so so little, and a Druid will not be in bear the entire match. I fought the #1 Druid/Warrior team last season, a 20 minute long match, I've seen the best Druid in action and I caught him numerous times in caster form.

You have no experience with 2k + players, just stop talking.

Dumbass.

He just has enjoyment in attempting to prove people wrong :D

He isn't doing too great in this one. But I do admit, he does know what he's talking about, just the manner in which he puts it forth is amazingly unnecessary. But I stick to every word I said in my replies, my partners were amazing, but I still had to know what to do up in the 2400's, you can't just give the best Druid any Warrior and expect him to get past 2k. I had so much experience at high end arena and I was there for a while, and I've known what to do against any combo and I was the one who told my Druid what to do against the opposing team.

And the reason Rp is usually always right is because he's answering simple questions, these forums aren't too in depth on anything.

Did you even notice that the only thing Zip had to confront me about was Executioner? His other two assumptions were completely wrong, and he was wrong about my past experience( Saying I was a Glad from s1 and not s2). I've played in the beginning of s3 as well, there really isn't that much difference from the beginning of S3 to now..

Thanks Devi, but I tried to put the Gem/gear preference in there, and Bg's are way too easy to even write a strat for.

Yeah if you aren't going to go into details in battlegrounds, then the guide will never be complete.

You need to cater for new players to the game, not just a post on what works for arena. If thats all you wish to do however, change the title and you have done a pretty good job, and in there you can continue to go into detail and improve on it as it goes on.