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Yesterday in Hellfire Peninsula I had two runs in the ramparts that went very well. I was the main healer in both runs and the only deaths that happened were when we got to Nazan at the end.........

Later on, one of the people in my party, a mage, asked if I wanted to rerun it. It was getting late and I told him "sure" if it doesn't take too long to get a group together.

Well; the only group he got together was two druids, (one feral druid), one respec'd to Wildkin before we entered, a hunter, mage and myself. I sent a tell to one of the druids asking if he thought we'd be ok with that set up; the hunter was going to tank; he had never been in there before.

I'm no expert, but I really didn't feel like we'd make it through, and especially if we made it to the end. But I went along anyway.

Death #1:

Well....we get in there and he hunter was pulling and trying to tank. The hunter pulled several mobs; we were all rushed. We didn't even make it over the first bridge walkway before BAM - the druid goes down. I mainly needed to spam heal and greater heal on the one druid, but before long he went down before I could even recast!

Death #2

We go back in, I immediately put a renew on him, heal, and start recasting greater heal and not 30 secs later; BAM! He goes down again before we even get over the first bridge. The hunter goes down, the mobs all rush to the rest of us, two members run out through the portal (that's how close we were at the begining :( ) ....I get rushed by the mobs before I can run and die )

These two events happened in the span of about 5 minutes. The one druid starts yelling at me "you have to heal *love* " (I hate when someone says that haha). I laughed and said I know how to heal; that I had done two other runs the same day with little death and he could check the logs to see how much I had tried to heal in a short time.

Then he tells me: "Then why did you have so much mana left?" :(

I tried to explain to them that first of all I didn't even have time to use the mana that I had; that my whole focus was on trying to keep him alive, and that if we couldn't make it across the first walk way without dying how would we make it any further.

I thanked them all for trying but said I was leaving because I didn't think the set up was right to go on.

I left there and logged off and totally felt, and still feel awful. Am I wrong? Could I have done anything differently?

Thanks everyone!

This was the hunter's first time in there; I don't think he even understood about the feral druid......

/sigh

There are many evidences of a poor group. Hunter tanking and feral druid not wanting to tank, it's obvious that you had at least 2 unexperienced players. Imho tanking is the most difficult role in a group and cannot be left in unexperienced hands.

A hunter may tank in Deadmines and other low level instances but that's it.

Bad PuG's suck... use your friends list. I have about 20 people on any of my active toons that are WoW friends only. These are people that made for any easy group and understood the needs of each role. These are the type of players that you want to stick with.

I have had my share of idiots. The best was running underbog and the tank kept on yelling at me to heal through the whole fight. My healing philosophy is to get a feel for what type of damage is being done and based on that is how I heal. I do not get worried if the tank is at 1/3rd or greater health as I know the cast rotation after one or two fights or the first 10 seconds of a boss fight. Regardless, this warrior idiot constantly told me to learn my class and that Flash Heal is the only heal I should be worried about. Ummmmmm, I got nothing.... I proceeded to try to keep this warrior up that would overpull <5 or 6 instead of just 3>(love those idiots that because the mobs are green to them, they think they cannot die) and keep everyone else topped off. A warlock was in the group and to maximize his dps I tried to keep a renew up on him so he never worried about mana, and then there was a feral druid off tanking. It got to the point where I let the warrior die several times, pissed him off which made me laugh, whispered everyone that I was bailing prior to the boss battle, and we all literally waited for the warrior to engage the Bog Lord, and then all of us hearthed out. I had to ignore him soon thereafter much to my chagrin.

Moral of that story, the druid and the warlock became guildmates later on and we still end up grouping and normally in raid situations we try to be in the same group as we understand how to play. Do not feel bad, and you were right for leaving. If you were a bad healer, then you would not have run the instance twice already. Every group has a wipe at times, and that is okay too. Heal on!!!

Hunters are not made for tanking...I'm surprised the Feral Druid did not try to tank, or try to convince the hunter that it would really be a better idea if he would tank...

The more I read all of your responses (and thank you all); and the more runs I have now done through ramparts and furnace; the more I realize the whole fiasco was the result of people being impatient and in a hurry to get through and not communicating.

The hunter was a victim of people not wanting to wait for the right setup. By the time the right setup came along with the feral druid, I don't think there was any communication between the two and BAM!

I think because ramparts is a shorter run; people think they can just shortcut it through (with not the best setup) and that's not the case.....

now on to the slave pens and underbog :D







Edited, Apr 15th 2008 7:29am by Kassanaomi

HAHA! and a great rate up for you all!

Especially at those levels

=P... well he does look like Gruul... in fact, they all look like him (Durn, his sons, etc.)

Edited, Apr 18th 2008 3:28pm by xNocturnalSunx

I think the biggest problem is actually getting to Gruul.

I've put up with bad groupd in many mmorpg's.I've yet to experience the big group raids in WOW but can't wait.Going Shadow Priest.:D After all the class jumping.I've chosen Shadow Priest over all other classes.But bad groups are going to happen.Can't have them be perfect everytime.People that put groups together have to know and understand the concept of that run.What they are going to encounter and what the group needs.Sometimes you can rig the Group by replacing One class with another support class.But in your run.I'd have never gone in there.I've red up on what each class is capable of and well a hunter tanking is like asking a mage to be a healer ><.In deadmines wich i've done many times almost anything can go.Almost not all.But the other instances i've read up on.WOW is all i have to say.Sounds like so much fun.:D Peace

Sorry this is off-topic, but.....That Durn post made me think of this.

Nuking can actually work ;D

I was in a group to kill that Belf on the netherwing who walks around in SMV (Altruis the Sufferer?). Group was: Me (hunter)
Holy Priest
Rogue
2 Mages
After getting fed up with finding a tank, we decided to nuke him :D
My pet started out tanking, and actually survived until the guy had about 50% health, and then the rogue evasion tanked him the rest of the way down with lots of spam healing. I actually think that I had to kite him around for the last 2% or so XD.