holy crap I just had an apifanyFollow

Yes I have probably spelt the title wrong but I think I may have solved two HUGE problems for paladins at once in one amazing move that will make ret have more utility in raids AND give us more options for strikes.

DIVINE REAVER: Applies the active seal but in a backwards way to judgements

Here let me show you what I mean

You use this while you have SoL active, what happens is you put a debuff on the target that works the same way as JoL except now it is a chance on hit to DO extra damage to the target.

I do not want to come off of this as an idiot but I think that this would make the game a bit more exciting for Ret and help us in general also others will finally have a reason to bring along Tony that Ret paladin your guild wont let go to the Black Temple even though he is geared enough to go.

Please try not to kill me for this one I am pitching this out there so if you have revisions you have to this to make it better I am all ears.

Let me explain

In the case of SoR it would heal YOU. For SoW now it's a chance on hit to drain THEIR mana.

With SoL EVERYONE gets a chance to do extra damage.

Do I make sense now? Also this is in no way trying to bag on you this is just me defending my post.

Oh and now that the my blood pressure has gone down to normal I forgot to mention a few things this strike does 105% weapon damage. Also this still won't solve everything for everyone but I do think that this would be a nice addtion to the paladin class.

PS It is my personal belief that casting judgment should do baseline damage that goes along with the effect of the judged seal.

But I am getting there..... right?

i think it's when a druid ***** in the woods and no one is around to see it. not 100% sure though : )

epiphany is how to spell it

i would trade almost any pally ability(cept bubble) for an effective class-wide spell interrupt. nuff said.

bah enough cc in this game up groups from 5 to 6 peeps will make straight dps easier to get into group.

Oh, is that what you have to do? Damn, I don't have a brother ...

Good idea. At least, it sounds good on paper. I think the real issue isn't necessarily making a Ret paladin better. Blizzard can do that in a second. I think their concern is this really nasty word: Balance.

Will your idea make Ret paladins too strong? Will we be over powered?

Personally, I have no problems with a paladin being last on the DPS chain as long that that last place can still be helpful to the group. I happen to thing they can while properly geared. But there's the rub... need to be properly geared and that's not easy.

In the meantime, I'm still going to play Ret and have fun with it. Great idea, though! I liked it.

I can give ret pallies more utility in raids as well..

Lets make them dual wield (with each weapon having it's own unique chance to proc a seal not based on a dual-wield modifier), have 2 new spell interrupts (one of which locks out the school for 5 seconds), a mortal strike, and why not have them @#$% shadowbolts out their backside while we're at it?

Not to sound like TOO much of an asshat on this.. I mean all that in good spirit, but I don't think these ideas are moving in the right direction. Almost all of the fundamental abilities that a Ret pally needs are already in place, they just need to be tweaked so that they WORK for them. Ret pallies have a unique form of CC (and one that they share with other pallies too) only problem is that they're usually useless. Many of their abilities won't work on bosses, blah blah blah....

Epiphany = Insight = Moment of sudden realization or understanding. An Epiphany would be realizing all of a sudden after years of thinking otherwise that Ret pallies get the short stick... Thinking of a way to fix that is just having an idea..

by tweaked im assuming you mean overhauled.

How did you know what I'm going to be doing this weekend?

Seal of Awesome Damage.