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#1 Apr 03 2008 at 6:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Whoever is going around rating down every single post I make, knock it off. It's fine if you disagree with me. You're all more than welcome to consider me an *******. Hell, I don't even mind if you rate me down for posts in which I insult others, or if you think the information I provide is just bad. I deserve it.

But you really need to stop rating down even my arbitrary posts that have barely anything to do with the content matter. Posts in which I insult no one. Posts in which I don't even argue with anyone, I simply provide an opinion or point of view. It has been two ******* weeks now. This has gone well beyond the range of far enough.

You are not doing yourself, this forum, or any other forum any credit by continuing to hold a grudge against me and pursuing this.
#2 Apr 03 2008 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I see what you mean. I ran around a couple threads to karma-up you, and usually, if I hit a recent post up, I move Decents to Goods and Defaults to Decents.

But on the several I just tried, Decent stayed as Decent even though I upped you.
#3 Apr 03 2008 at 8:52 PM Rating: Decent
I too have had a sub-default hound on me as well but I do admit I did deserve half of it.
#4 Apr 03 2008 at 9:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Gaudion wrote:
Whoever is going around rating down every single post I make, knock it off. It's fine if you disagree with me. You're all more than welcome to consider me an @#%^. Hell, I don't even mind if you rate me down for posts in which I insult others, or if you think the information I provide is just bad. I deserve it.

But you really need to stop rating down even my arbitrary posts that have barely anything to do with the content matter. Posts in which I insult no one. Posts in which I don't even argue with anyone, I simply provide an opinion or point of view. It has been two @#%^ing weeks now. This has gone well beyond the range of far enough.

You are not doing yourself, this forum, or any other forum any credit by continuing to hold a grudge against me and pursuing this.


Report it to an admin, they'll keep them from doing it, making a post about just might make the situation worse.

Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 10:01pm by TheYardstick
#5 Apr 03 2008 at 9:21 PM Rating: Default
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I really don't know why they even have that "meter" in this forum to be honest. Gold stars are so "grade school". And in that realm so to speak, it was implimented as a superficial form of "performance". Here at BEST its superficial degree of popularity, and I'm waiting for the day to laugh my @$$ off, when I get a resume with a forum rating posted on it :)

If they (alla) was to impliment a "useful" form of forum rating system, it would have something like ebays "star" system. Something that incorperates, the rater making themselves KNOWN to the rated, and must contain a "reason" prior to posting response rating, and perhaps subject to Dev's approval also.

Granted, it still wouldn't be a full proof method concidering that this is a "free" public forum, and sock puppets are common. But, at least it would make someone WORK for being a karma @$$, but concidering human nature even flamers get lazy to fast :)

Welcome to the internet! As my old Economy prof. once said...."Living in America means you have the right to say anything you want! But don't forget the mics always on..."

Frankly for all you know..."I" was the person that was rating everyone down. Or perhaps it was the posters above me that did, trying be the "better man" and mask their previous actions. Who knows?! I could just be the ramblings of a UFC fighter from Hawaii. Or was it Cali? Or was it from your hometown....

/shrug
#6 Apr 03 2008 at 9:49 PM Rating: Decent
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lol gaudion its BS but you are a bit of a jerk, maybe you really hurt someones feelings, anyhow it ain't that big of a deal, most frequent posters have respect for you, even those that wish you weren't a **** lol
#7 Apr 04 2008 at 2:54 AM Rating: Default
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jmfmb wrote:
lol gaudion its BS but you are a bit of a jerk, maybe you really hurt someones feelings, anyhow it ain't that big of a deal, most frequent posters have respect for you, even those that wish you weren't a Richard lol

Lol, yeah, I know I am a jerk, and a lot of the time I just get carried away. Like I said, I expect to get rated down; hell, I even expected something like this to happen eventually. But after having gone on for a week or two, even I have to draw the line, especially when completely harmless posts like the one in Draenei's suggestion forum get rated from Good down to Default.
#8 Apr 04 2008 at 4:36 AM Rating: Excellent
Gaudion wrote:
...in Draenei's suggestion forum get rated from Good down to Default.


Well obviously, more than one person disagreed or didn't like what you posted if it went from good to default. Perhaps, you're not posting good information as you thought if that many people rated you down.

Edit: Didn't mean for that to come off the wrong way, mind you. In my experience, you've given great advice. Just stating a possibility.

Edited, Apr 4th 2008 9:14am by xNocturnalSunx
#9 Apr 04 2008 at 5:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Report it to an admin, they'll keep them from doing it, making a post about just might make the situation worse.


Good point. Anyone who is "holding a grudge" and rating you down is probably tickled pink right now. This thread just let them know they got under your skin. I hope they don't smell blood and double their efforts.



#10 Apr 04 2008 at 5:40 AM Rating: Decent
They're in your allakhazamz. Rating down your gaudionz!!!!!!


But seriously, unless you just pissed someone off I see no other reason to rate you down. Strong opinions do not equal rate downs.
#11 Apr 04 2008 at 5:43 AM Rating: Good
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I hope they don't smell blood and double their efforts.


"I heard their periods attract bears... that bears can smell their menstruation"

no clue why that made me think of that quote

Edited, Apr 4th 2008 9:44am by xNocturnalSunx
#12 Apr 04 2008 at 6:50 AM Rating: Default
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The good news is, I had already contacted an administrator before I even made the post, and much to my glee, the response was that I had been rated up way more often than I had been rated down. The down side to that is, unfortunately, I think it was largely because of the rate-ups I received because of this thread.

Seriously... just... put it to rest. You've had your fun, but however much of a jerk I am, what you're doing is far more asinine.

xNocturnalSunx wrote:
Gaudion wrote:
...in Draenei's suggestion forum get rated from Good down to Default.


Well obviously, more than one person disagreed or didn't like what you posted if it went from good to default. Perhaps, you're not posting good information as you thought if that many people rated you down.

That's the thing though. It wasn't even information. It's a suggestion thread for things you'd like to see happen. You can't rate someone down over theoritical things that are entirely opinion and don't even exist in the game. Well, I mean, you can, but... any rational person obviously wouldn't unless it was purely out of spite.
#13 Apr 04 2008 at 7:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Edited, Oct 13th 2014 3:00pm by darkmagepaul
#14 Apr 04 2008 at 7:14 AM Rating: Good
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Gaudion wrote:
Whoever is going around rating down every single post I make, knock it off. It's fine if you disagree with me. You're all more than welcome to consider me an @#%^. Hell, I don't even mind if you rate me down for posts in which I insult others, or if you think the information I provide is just bad. I deserve it.

But you really need to stop rating down even my arbitrary posts that have barely anything to do with the content matter. Posts in which I insult no one. Posts in which I don't even argue with anyone, I simply provide an opinion or point of view. It has been two @#%^ing weeks now. This has gone well beyond the range of far enough.

You are not doing yourself, this forum, or any other forum any credit by continuing to hold a grudge against me and pursuing this.


Someone's doing it to Draeneipally too. You both either give good advice or make me laugh, so you get lots of rate ups from me.
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#15 Apr 04 2008 at 7:24 AM Rating: Good
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darkmagepaul wrote:
Gaudion wrote:
Whoever is going around rating down every single post I make, knock it off. It's fine if you disagree with me. You're all more than welcome to consider me an @#%^. Hell, I don't even mind if you rate me down for posts in which I insult others, or if you think the information I provide is just bad. I deserve it.

But you really need to stop rating down even my arbitrary posts that have barely anything to do with the content matter. Posts in which I insult no one. Posts in which I don't even argue with anyone, I simply provide an opinion or point of view. It has been two @#%^ing weeks now. This has gone well beyond the range of far enough.

You are not doing yourself, this forum, or any other forum any credit by continuing to hold a grudge against me and pursuing this.


Rule 1 of figght club: you don't talk about fightclub. Likewise with the Karma system. Ratedown for you for ******** about it... who cares what your karma is at?

Rate down for talking about fight club. Giving away the rule is bad.
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#16 Apr 04 2008 at 8:01 AM Rating: Default
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Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Someone's doing it to Draeneipally too. You both either give good advice or make me laugh, so you get lots of rate ups from me.

Ok, now what the hell? Me, I can understand, but her?
#17 Apr 04 2008 at 8:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Gaudion wrote:
Ailitardif, Star Breaker wrote:
Someone's doing it to Draeneipally too. You both either give good advice or make me laugh, so you get lots of rate ups from me.

Ok, now what the hell? Me, I can understand, but her?


I bet right about now you're thinking that you'd rather have the camper than the comparison, eh?

#18 Apr 04 2008 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Someone's doing it to Draeneipally too. You both either give good advice or make me laugh, so you get lots of rate ups from me.


Yeah, Draeneipally got absolutely hammered on that "chat with a GM" thread.
#19 Apr 04 2008 at 9:03 AM Rating: Good
Gaudion wrote:
That's the thing though. It wasn't even information. It's a suggestion thread for things you'd like to see happen. You can't rate someone down over theoritical things that are entirely opinion and don't even exist in the game. Well, I mean, you can, but... any rational person obviously wouldn't unless it was purely out of spite.


I understand, my whole point is that in that thread, it had to been a lot more than just one person rating you down in it for some reason. I haven't even looked at the thread but I'm just assuming you possibly said something that people hated (for some odd reason).

But you're right, it is a suggestion, and should be treated as such. Some people are just not open minded.
#20 Apr 04 2008 at 11:08 AM Rating: Good
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Edited, Oct 13th 2014 3:00pm by darkmagepaul
#21 Apr 04 2008 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
Gaudion wrote:
The good news is, I had already contacted an administrator before I even made the post, and much to my glee, the response was that I had been rated up way more often than I had been rated down. The down side to that is, unfortunately, I think it was largely because of the rate-ups I received because of this thread.

Seriously... just... put it to rest. You've had your fun, but however much of a jerk I am, what you're doing is far more asinine.

xNocturnalSunx wrote:
Gaudion wrote:
...in Draenei's suggestion forum get rated from Good down to Default.


Well obviously, more than one person disagreed or didn't like what you posted if it went from good to default. Perhaps, you're not posting good information as you thought if that many people rated you down.

That's the thing though. It wasn't even information. It's a suggestion thread for things you'd like to see happen. You can't rate someone down over theoritical things that are entirely opinion and don't even exist in the game. Well, I mean, you can, but... any rational person obviously wouldn't unless it was purely out of spite.


Consider yourself fortunate...standard policy here on Alla is to karma bomb anyone who ******* about their karma.

And if you went from good to default on a post, it means at least two people rated you down.
#22 Apr 04 2008 at 11:47 AM Rating: Default
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xNocturnalSunx wrote:
I understand, my whole point is that in that thread, it had to been a lot more than just one person rating you down in it for some reason. I haven't even looked at the thread but I'm just assuming you possibly said something that people hated (for some odd reason).

Go read it. I'm sorry, but there is just no way anyone could rate that down for any reason other than a vendetta.
#23 Apr 04 2008 at 4:25 PM Rating: Good
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IMO Gaudion just needs a hug... /hug
#24 Apr 05 2008 at 12:41 AM Rating: Excellent
Gaudion wrote:
The good news is, I had already contacted an administrator before I even made the post, and much to my glee, the response was that I had been rated up way more often than I had been rated down. The down side to that is, unfortunately, I think it was largely because of the rate-ups I received because of this thread.


So, instead of one person with a vendetta it's a lot of different people deciding they don't like the post and rating it down? Fascinating, although I can see how it'd cut into the victim complex you've got going on.
#25 Apr 05 2008 at 1:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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i believe, personally, that the rate downs might be with people who disagree with your view on the shaman class and think youre voicing too much opinion as fact.

ive found that the karma system, for the most part, tends to be pretty reciprocating in its rewards and punishments. if you take pains (and it takes pains) to make sure youre saying something as your opinion, you can generally avoid rate downs, and often garner rate ups even if youre supporting an unpopular position or voicing something that is purely non-factual.

that right there would be, in my estimation, the major reason for your rate downs. granted, i cant say whether or not there is a cadre of anti-gaudion folks out there (there might be, it happens), but from my perspective, ive seen you say a number of things that are, for lack of a better term, a drop of fact distilled in a barrel of opinion.

the best thing to do would be to avoid saying something is "obvious" or "widely known", especially regarding class balance. the only things i trust in regards to class balance are what i hear from blizzards mouth and what i see personally, as well as the well-tempered anecdotes of a few individuals i know and trust (rpzip, kouren, tarkand to name a few). for instance, i know what a friend of mine, who is a shaman, is capable of doing in 5's and 3's arena. ive seen him hit 2k in 5's and top 1900 in 3's, so i know shaman arent completely horrible in arena; its working for him, so it *can* work for others. i know he almost got gladiator in season 2 as his shaman, and the differences from S2 to S3 are either not that horrible, or are not differences based in the shaman class (arcane shot dispel comes to mind).

i dont know you that well. i see what you post here, and it seems to be passionate and well-meaning and misguided. in many instances youre advocating a massive overhaul of class mechanics, and my gut and my mind tell me that thats too much. they also tell me that it seems like youre either avoiding or are ignorant to certain salient facts, such as balance in 2v2 (its a game of counters, if you fight your counter you probably lose) and the dependency of one class on others to be successful (warriors were built from the ground up to be dependent on other classes, maybe blizzard wants to take other classes in that direction too, starting with shaman).

so ultimately i read your posts and i come away thinking that youve got this weird love/hate relationship with this class that you want to add some pretty big buffs too. and thats ok. but how it comes out, how you say it....notsomuch. theres suggestions and ideas and discourse being tossed about, but its generally all couched in a lot of "woe is us" kind of speech, with a few broad assumptions tossed in for good measure.

and thats as good a reason as any for rating someone down; its better to support a bad position well than it is to support a good position poorly. posting opinions and suggestions? no rate down needed. posting opinions thinly veiled as fact while adding various global generalizations? thats not so good, and in some peoples opinion, worth a rate down.
#26 Apr 05 2008 at 2:43 AM Rating: Default
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As I've already said, RPZip, Quor, I have zero problem with people rating me down when they disagree with me. None whatsoever. Everyone's entitled to their opinion, and if yours is that I don't have a grasp on what I'm talking about, you should rate me down because you don't want other people listening to what I have to say.

However, again, when I look over this thread and see that someone(s) have, since just yesterday, taken the time to scroll through and rate every one of my posts down, I don't need a victim's complex to know that one person or several people are trying to grind my karma into obscurity. If it was even just this one thread or any other I could accept the fact that someone just felt really strongly against what I was saying, but it's been made a point to address and rate down every post I've made for the last week.

AureliusSir wrote:
Consider yourself fortunate...standard policy here on Alla is to karma bomb anyone who ******* about their karma.

And if you went from good to default on a post, it means at least two people rated you down.

Says the guy who had to have a sock puppet come by and rate up all of his posts because he went to war with the entire Shaman forum--not just me--and lost.

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