pure destro specced lock:she rezzes way too muchFollow

build is fine but what i like to do on my destro lock 0/21/40 build is use the succubus #1 because voidwalker wont hold threat from a destro lock at all. #2 i would try to go for a 0/21/40 build. Immolate spam incinerate(shadowbolt) then conflag it and then immolate and if it gets too close then fear bombs are always good and u can charm humanoids with succy. When you are low on health my favorite is to fear him and spam him with drain life till im full hp then lifetap back mana and go forever. i never had problems as destro leveling up but then again my gear going from 60-70 was T2ish mainly it will get easier when you get to the 63-65 range because i replaced all my gear by then. as destro focus more on crit and hit% than spellpower unless you plan on going afflicition. ummmm thats my 2 cents firelocks are totally ftw :D

Edited, Apr 1st 2008 10:25pm by ChappelleFTW

imo, drop shadowfury, pyroclasm, emberstorm, conflagrate, and get 5/5 demonic embrace(demo), 2/2 improved healthstone, then get 3/3 Fel intellect, 3/3 Fel stamina, 3/3 Demonic Aegis, and then put your last 3 talents where ever you like, I realize this isn't pure destro but the survivability of demonic embrace/fel stamina, and the spell dmg and healing increase through demonic aegis are amazing and fel intellect to give your own mana pool a boost, even being destro I recommend big blue, send him in, Corruption, Curse of Agony, Immolate, wait 5-8 seconds to let dots tick a couple times then shadowbolt spam

Sounds to me like you need to learn your aggro management. I didn't switch to destro (from affliction) until level 68ish but if you want to level with destro, then that is fine.

I use my VW almost 100% of the time. Make sure you are near full mana before you start your fight and you should not have to life tap during the battle. Send in the big blue guy and throw on your 2 dots, Corruption and curse of agony. Let him get his 2nd taunt off and throw immolate, which you may have to sit there for a sec or two while he builds aggro and your dots tick away, this is ok and might not be as long as wait for you right now since you don't have an instant cast corruption.

After that immolate hits, then start up a shadowbolt or incinerate (as you gain more and more crit, it would be better to use SB, but until then incinerate works well and is less mana). Then you have some options, as that is flying in the air you can either start casting another SB or incinerate or if the mob is low enough finish him off with the conflag.

Just for completeness, once that first shadowbolt or incinerate hits you will most likely pull aggro from your voidwalker. This is a good thing because if the mob is running at you, then he isn't hurting your tank anymore and will most likely drop dead at your feet from either your 2nd shadowbolt/incinerate or from your conflag.

Now, you will be very low on mana. Life tap and head to your next mob. You have to except the fact that you will be eating/drinking all the time with destro...it is what it is. This is where throwing in some points into affliction really pays off. Improved Drain Soul and Improved Life Tap are great for reducing your downtime.

Personally, after I launch that first shadowbolt, I will cast drain soul (rank 1 only) as I know that either my shadowbolt is going to kill the mob or the dots will kill him as he is running at me and then I get 15% mana back and a shard (though I usually end up destroying some shards that way because I get too many).

Hope this helps, and welcome to the forums.



Edited, Apr 2nd 2008 7:59am by zebug

Edited, Apr 2nd 2008 8:00am by zebug

i primarily use my Void. i seldom use any others (except for yesterday when Allies invaded. then i pulled out my infernal, set him to aggro and zigzagged through the crowd enjoying the deathcries of the invaders.)i tend to be very concrete in the fighting style i have used from the conception of my toon. i like to pull the mob i've chosen by hitting him with curse of agony, send in Ormie (that's my void's name), then systematically click on the following: corruption, immolate, conflagrate, searing pain (by this time the mob is running towards me b/c i aggroed him really badly), shadowbolt, shadow fury, shadowbolt, drain life (now i'm out of mana) and use my wand (Desolation Rod which does an average of 100 points dps). most of the time, i don't get very far into my series with mobs that are lvl 55-58, they go down either at the first shadowbolt or at shadowfury. if it's a group of mobs (i can take appproximately 4 lvl 40-45's, three lvl 45-50's, and two lvl 50-58's before i am OOM and gonna rez), i take them one at a time and use shadowfury and rain of fire then take on the one that has run up to me with corruption, immolate, conflagrate, etc. then i will wand the other to death or drain his life. if i have bit off more than i can chew, i sometimes remember to howl of terror and deathcoil and dot...more often, though i panic and yell 'what should i do? what should i do?' (apparently addressing the only other soul in the room with me, which is the cat, whose answer, if it could talk, would be "bring me kibble, b**ch. that's what you should do.") as i hit random buttons in a vain attempt to stave off rezzing again. if i take on magic users, i pull them, send in Ormie, then climb right up onto their pixilated laps and mana tap, arcane torrent (which has no discernable effect as far as i can tell. i just do that, b/c bf said it was a good idea to way back when i was lvl 10 or so), drain mana, then do the typical progression of spells as the magickey guy beats the snot outta me.


but i never thought of spamming before! (god, i am such an airhead! lol) and never considered my aggro at all. clearly i need a great deal of practise and must unlearn my habitual over-reliance on methodical rote clicking. (i've been such a lazy little lock, lol).

you're suggestions have been very helpful.

thanks so much!

If you're getting smacked on by multiple mobs, life tap is a terrible idea unless you have absolutely no mana to do anything.

Also don't waste your gold on food buffs imo. Especially if you keep dying over and over, you're just throwing gold down the toilet.

Leveling shouldn't be hard, just pull 1 mob at a time. Use your voidwalker, let it build aggro. It's a little slower then affliction, but you shouldn't be dying.

Start slow. Give the void time. Dots first. Wait a few secs.

In large camps, wait for patrols to come around and pull them solo.

Sucubus can seduce on pulls where you're forced to pull 2 at a time. Lots of demons and things in hellfire so you can banish or enslave them.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2008 9:34pm by mikelolol

If i were you i would try out affliction/demo. It's quite easy to level with, you never run out of mana, and you can take on multiple mobs at a time with little downtime. Also, if your boyfriend kept the mats for his dreadsteed quest it can cut the gold you need down to around 200.

That would be quite insulting to say if it weren't.

just to clear up what Conflag does (as I admit, I ran several levels thinking the wrong thing until these fine people corrected me).

Conflagrate


The consuming Immolate part is the tricky part. It does not, take the left over tics from your Immolate and apply them all at once. It simply removes the Immolate dot. Unless they changed it in recent patches as I just started back on my lock after about a year layoff. So the best time to use conflag is if there is only one tick left on your Immolate.

I only use it if the mob made its way to me and I want to finish him off rather than wind up a longer casting spell while he is beating on me. It sounds like from your spell rotation that you thought conflag would apply all of the remaining immolate damage at once (don't feel bad, many a lock has thought that.....well at least one other lock has thought that, me)



Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 7:55am by zebug

i hadn't played a video game at all for over in over ten years when bf introduced me to warcraft.

what the april fool guy said was a bit harsh, considering he probley has more experience playing video games. he might feel superior to me in that aspect, but i don't care either way how he feels. i assure you, there is always someone better at an ability than oneself. and there are plenty of abilities that i excel at. the way a person learns to excel at something, is by asking for advice and suggestions. hence, this thread.

yes i leveled this toon to 60 using the above tactics and when i started the OL quests i realised that something was wrong with those tactics. that is the reason i posted the thread in the first place. i didn't intend to convey the belief that the problem was solely based upon the way she was specced. if that was the impression i gave, i am sorry for the misunderstanding.

the difficulty i have been facing with this toon, is the way i have been utilising her spells. i have been practising in lowbie areas like felwoods and winterspring since reading the responses i recieved. i haven't rezzed but once when i accidentally set Ormie to defensive instead of passive, and he rushed right into a giant crowd of mobs swinging like it was a moshpit.

i find the toon a bit dull now that she just stands around casting dots like any afflic lock. here's how it works now: i pull with corruption, send Ormie the very next thing, back up for a long time (because the mob is running towards me), wait a bit, cast curse of agony...then i give myself a manicure while Ormie whacks them down to 1500 points. finally, i cast any spell i like, because that will finish that mob off in no time.

barely any mana used at all...but horribly dull.

i got so frustrated with the sheer monotony of this routine last night i told bf i probley should have taken his advice and created a warrior instead. "what's the point of having huge dps spells at your fingertips, if all you do is cast spells you're not specced for?", i said. he says i am still not using her right. i feel like an imbecile. here's this big bad 60 destro lock and i can't do a thing with her! i said, "if you know so much how to use her, then you take her to OL and see what i mean about the mobs jumping her". (in OL, if she pulls a boar and begins fighting him, 3 orcs jump out from behind a bush, beat her down, take her lunch money and call her sissy-girl. if she pulls an orc, 2 buzzards whup her butt. if she pulls a buzzard, the Felreaver materielizes like david frikkin copperfeild and blithely steps on her as he strolls across the screen.).

bf smugly accepted to try it. now part of me doesn't want him to, because she would gain xp from someone else's effort and not mine. and because he already told me he would show me that she's dying not because of the way she's specced but because i 'don't know how to play her'. (way to rub my nose in it, honey. that's the way to earn my admiration...be pompous)

but part of me wants to watch him run my toon, just to see firsthand what spells i should be casting and how far back to stay to avoid the mobs' aggro range. i am primarily visual when it comes to learning. if he doesn't kill too many things, maybe she won't get a lot of xp.

bf also told me that i am letting the OL 'freak me out' and that my expectations for the outcome of fighting there dictate the success of my toon's abilities. this, i suspect, is a big factor (there, i said it.). things can be very intense and intimidating in OL.

so far, then here's what i have done:

1. begun learning aggro management
2. begun relying on my 2 little afflict spells
3. begun relying on my voidwalker
4. achieved a perfectly groomed manicure

here's what i haven't done:

1. begun to avoid self-defeating expectations.

i intend to remedy this as soon as possible.

lol, glad you have a sense of humor, brightens this board up sometimes.

I think it would be great if you can watch your bf play your lock for a little bit. It doesn't have to be long at all, 10-15 minutes should really help and instead of him just saying you aren't playing her right, he should be telling you how to play her right if he thinks you are doing it wrong.

Couple small changes I would do thus far. Start out with curse of agony as it is a longer spell and the damage is really back loaded (meaning most of the damage from curse of agony will come at the tail end of the ticks). Then corruption, which for you will have a small cast time at this point.

I didn't say this before, but make sure you have torment on autocast so your VW is casting it whenever it is up. After that 2nd torment, you can probably unload your cool destro spells like immolate and shadowbolt. The cooldown on Torment is 5 seconds, so after 5 seconds you should be able to do whatever.

1) You're in Outland at level 60 and have been there for two levels, meaning you were level 58 when you got there. Outland was designed to take in players after they had reached "end-game" in Azeroth, meaning level 60. Going there at level 58 is tough since none of the quests will be available, or at least will be damn hard to do.

2) You're a clothie.

3) You're a clothie with a "HIT ME! HIT ME! OHHH, PLEASE HIT ME!" talent build.

All three points are might-be's as to why you're resurrecting a lot. My advice? Go Demonology and learn to love the Felguard. The Drain Hunt method is really effective in Outland, as long as you make sure to get at least 1/3 Mana Feed and 3/3 Demonic Resilience.

Alternatively, since you should be playing the way you enjoy it, learn aggro management with your Voidwalker. With a Destruction talent build and the Voidwalker you'll be like a Mage with its own tank. I much enjoyed Destruction for a short period of time while leveling up. Way too mana inefficient in the long run, though, so I respec'd to Demonology for the Felguard.

Edited, Apr 4th 2008 9:23pm by Mazra