Well things finally caught up with me and I have respecced by beloved ret pally to holy. My guild is constantly short on healers and my druid does great as a tank and DPSer so I had to respec to fill in an obvious hole. My ret gear is in the bat cave waiting to be brought back out when whoop-@ss is called for.
I ramshackled a lot of gear together from the AH as well as buying the new Crusader's gear sold at five rep vendors (Sha'tar, Lower City, Honor Hold, Keepers of Time and Cenerion Expedition) to create my new healer:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Hydraxis&n=Zirk
I know there's Dllbrt's guide to Holy Paladins, which I've been reading to get caught up, but I still had a few questions...
1) What are the minimum holy paladin Kara stats?
2) I made my build to be strong with healing, but I balked on a lot of the softer talents like imp Lay on Hands, Aura Mastery and etc. in favor of more defensive minded talents from the Prot tree (up to and including BOK). Would like some input on this especially if you've tried this build before.
3) What should I improve on, and in what order, to be more raid-viable?
In any case, I was very impressed with the healing capability of the holy tree. Spamming flash of light forever is awesome, and even when soloing, they pack a wicked punch with Judgement of Crusader, followed by Consecrate, Seal of Righteousness, Judgement of Rightenousness, and of course the beautiful Holy Shock.
It's not kill-em-all fun of ret, but I can get used to this.
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1) Kara stats = +1200 Heal, 70 MP5, 15% Crit (per Cap'n Jack's FAQ). More is better, but those are mins.
2) I did the same thing originally, and then re-spec'd back. Both are nice, but neither are absolutely necessary. Play around and see what you prefer. LoH - you hope you don't need to do it twice...but when you do...it's nice to have back faster.
3) The best improvement is practice and gear. Work on Dilbrt's list. You'll get plenty of practice while grinding for gear :)
By the way - I'm thinking of switching from Holy to Prot. Healing is fun, but I just run into too many tanks that I don't feel are very good tanks. But before I go stick my foot in my mouth, I need to try it for myself. I've got a warrior tank, but never really tried Prot Pally tanking (yes, I did Holy tanking at the lower levels). Should be fun :)
2) I did the same thing originally, and then re-spec'd back. Both are nice, but neither are absolutely necessary. Play around and see what you prefer. LoH - you hope you don't need to do it twice...but when you do...it's nice to have back faster.
3) The best improvement is practice and gear. Work on Dilbrt's list. You'll get plenty of practice while grinding for gear :)
By the way - I'm thinking of switching from Holy to Prot. Healing is fun, but I just run into too many tanks that I don't feel are very good tanks. But before I go stick my foot in my mouth, I need to try it for myself. I've got a warrior tank, but never really tried Prot Pally tanking (yes, I did Holy tanking at the lower levels). Should be fun :)
TooRetForYou wrote:
I ramshackled a lot of gear together from the AH as well as buying the new Crusader's gear sold at five rep vendors (Sha'tar, Lower City, Honor Hold, Keepers of Time and Cenerion Expedition) to create my new healer:
/sighs and kneads the bridge of his nose
PvP gear is not PvE gear. PvP gear is not PvE gear. PvP gear. Is NOT. PvE gear.
Arena gear is passable (NOT preferable) because it is epic, and even though a ton of the item budget is wasted on resilliance and way too much stamina, enough of the necessary stats are still present to facilitate use.
If you are buying gear to heal in PvE from honor vendors, then you need to be buying the PvE gear.
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1) What are the minimum holy paladin Kara stats?
1000 healing and 60-80 MP/5 is a piece of cake to get from honor vendors and blue, non-herioc instance drops. You should have that much at least.
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2) I made my build to be strong with healing, but I balked on a lot of the softer talents like imp Lay on Hands, Aura Mastery and etc. in favor of more defensive minded talents from the Prot tree (up to and including BOK). Would like some input on this especially if you've tried this build before.
Max range is often necessary or at least adviseable, so you need Aura Mastery. Imp. LoH you can easily live without though.
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3) What should I improve on, and in what order, to be more raid-viable?
+heal/MP5/spell crit. Most healing pieces will have +heal and MP5, so spell crit will be harder to come by on any gear not specifically meant for a Holy Pally. Just focus on +heal and MP5 and get the crit when and where you can, though don't sacrifice either of the previous two stats for it if you can avoid it.
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Well things finally caught up with me and I have respecced by beloved ret pally to holy.
I did the same thing ,but i decided to settle on holy.
i predict your oom half way through fights : ). your holy set has me on healing but mine has you on mana regen the whole 5-6 healing pieces has 46 mana regen while casting. ya probaly should have checked the ah for some of the gear. remember you CAN wear cloth in pve healing. you can pick up an easy 20 mana regen and little bit mroe healing by picking up imbuned nether weave chest and legs. will set ya back about 40-50g at least did me. not trying to rag on ya just saying you can wear cloth and would probaly help more than the resilance gear is gonna help unless you plan on raiding arena's
Get revered with HH for the ring and helm enchant.
Get revered with LC for the LC Prayer Book.
Get some new bracers, there are mail healing ones off of Aeonus in BM, or plate ones (I thought there were some plate healing bracers from a nromal instance, but it seems to be only from BF heroic).
Enchant mp5 on chest and bracers, it's fairly cheap.
Your best bet for feet is probably the cloth boots from SH (which you'll need for HH rep), yes they are cloth, but have decent pala stats. Or there are mail boots from Heroic SP. Might want to get vitality on these.
Do Magister's Terrace (pita to heal) for a very nice ring off I think Kael, which has spell haste, +heal and a red socket.
Get a new chest, SL is probably your best bet here (and you need LC rep) there is a mail one off murmur, or a plate one off vorpil (which never ever dropped for my paladin).
Get revered with LC for the LC Prayer Book.
Get some new bracers, there are mail healing ones off of Aeonus in BM, or plate ones (I thought there were some plate healing bracers from a nromal instance, but it seems to be only from BF heroic).
Enchant mp5 on chest and bracers, it's fairly cheap.
Your best bet for feet is probably the cloth boots from SH (which you'll need for HH rep), yes they are cloth, but have decent pala stats. Or there are mail boots from Heroic SP. Might want to get vitality on these.
Do Magister's Terrace (pita to heal) for a very nice ring off I think Kael, which has spell haste, +heal and a red socket.
Get a new chest, SL is probably your best bet here (and you need LC rep) there is a mail one off murmur, or a plate one off vorpil (which never ever dropped for my paladin).
I'm assuming I'm the only one that read this and thought it was a joke?
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Just one more thing to add to the already useful advice listed before me:
Do not sell/disechant/destroy the Blessed Book of Nagrand. Libram of Souls Redeemed (which drops from the Opera event in Karazhan) was nerfed, reducing the Flash of Light benefit to 60, and increasing the Holy Light benefit to 120.
It will be a while before you can step away from a playstyle which involves using more Holy Light than Flash of Light, so for now, Blessed Book of Nagrand > Libram of Souls Redeemed.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 5:33am by SideLabel
Do not sell/disechant/destroy the Blessed Book of Nagrand. Libram of Souls Redeemed (which drops from the Opera event in Karazhan) was nerfed, reducing the Flash of Light benefit to 60, and increasing the Holy Light benefit to 120.
It will be a while before you can step away from a playstyle which involves using more Holy Light than Flash of Light, so for now, Blessed Book of Nagrand > Libram of Souls Redeemed.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 5:33am by SideLabel
Hi all and thanks for the feedback. I'm still trying to grapple with using anything but plate, being ret for so long, but I'll look out for any armor that helps with heals, at least in the mean time. I'll try the suggestions that are a little more quick and dirty at the moment - just so I can handle the first few bosses in Kara at very least, and I think several suggestions here fit that bill. Thanks a bunch!
Loki - No, besides my silly sounding screen-name, I didn't pull an April Fool's joke: I DID indeed respec to holy. It's nice and it's fun... very capable. Not quite as fun as ret. But hey someone's got to keep everyone else alive!
Loki - No, besides my silly sounding screen-name, I didn't pull an April Fool's joke: I DID indeed respec to holy. It's nice and it's fun... very capable. Not quite as fun as ret. But hey someone's got to keep everyone else alive!
TooRetForYou wrote:
Well things finally caught up with me and I have respecced by beloved ret pally to holy. My guild is constantly short on healers and my druid does great as a tank and DPSer so I had to respec to fill in an obvious hole. My ret gear is in the bat cave waiting to be brought back out when whoop-@ss is called for.
I think I'll give you kudos just for using the term "Batcave" in a meaningful sentence.
Otherwise, you need to focus on +heal (duh) and +mp5, but Gaudion said that already. Aura Mastery's one and only use is for holy paladins to stay 40ft away in a raid and still cover everyone in their aura. You can offset this with the extra survivability that Prot will give you, so it's a toss-up. Don't know any actual numbers.
On a serious note - practically every suggestion in here is outlined in the sticky. Read it, and go for it. It's not rocket science.
Also, gear does not make a healer. Gear + Skill make the healer. The gear list is outlined in the sticky. Get experience while trying to get the gear. Then, you'll be ok. Trying to rush into Kara to heal when you have minimal experince & gear will not benefit your raid group. It will just get people killed.
Also, gear does not make a healer. Gear + Skill make the healer. The gear list is outlined in the sticky. Get experience while trying to get the gear. Then, you'll be ok. Trying to rush into Kara to heal when you have minimal experince & gear will not benefit your raid group. It will just get people killed.
YJMark wrote:
Trying to rush into Kara to heal when you have minimal experince & gear will not benefit your raid group. It will just get people mildly annoyed and frustrated.
FTFY.
lol - nice edit zepoodle. Yes, no one really dies in a game...my bad :)
/bow to the master wordsmith
/bow to the master wordsmith
Hey, ungeared holy paladins killed my cousin.
True story.
True story.
Jack - I hope you aren't referring to your brief stint into the Holy tree.....lol.
YJMark wrote:
Also, gear does not make a healer. Gear + Skill make the healer. The gear list is outlined in the sticky. Get experience while trying to get the gear. Then, you'll be ok. Trying to rush into Kara to heal when you have minimal experince & gear will not benefit your raid group. It will just get people killed.
Post-70, gear doesn't make the healer, but it sure as hell can and will break them. You go try healing ZA without Kara/badge epics and let me know how all that running out of mana and party members dying works out for you.
TooRetForYou wrote:
I'm still trying to grapple with using anything but plate, being ret for so long, but I'll look out for any armor that helps with heals, at least in the mean time.
The good news is, as long as your drop luck isn't terrible, you shouldn't have to downgrade any lower than mail. If you look at the stats on all of the healing gear from cloth to plate, you should notice an immediate trend: all of the cloth and leather has spirit on it, which is useful and meant for Priests and Druids. Shaman and Paladin gear runs together as well, with a focus on +MP/5 (and occasionally crit) beyond the base intellect and stamina.
Short version: Take the leather and cloth if they drop and they're better than what you have, but look for and focus on the mail and plate drops.
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Post-70, gear doesn't make the healer, but it sure as hell can and will break them. You go try healing ZA without Kara/badge epics and let me know how all that running out of mana and party members dying works out for you.
Of course. That is why I said Gear + Skill. One without the other is not good. You can also get a Kara/Badge epic geared healer that sux. So you need both.
I always used to be of the opinion that paladins shouldn't wear less than mail/plate, ended up with me trying to heal ZF at level 40 ish in a nice mix of strength and spirit gear (way back in the day when I had no clue at all). I wouldn't recommend downgrading unless you have to, I cringe everytime I see a paladin boasting bit +heal numbers and their gear is mostly cloth or leather with a boatload of spirit on it (so they have minimal mp5 and crit).
But, some cloth/leather items are well itemised (and there aren't many fights where armour class makes a difference) and sometimes the upgrade is too good to pass up (I had to force some epic leather healing bracers on a pala recently that was using Fairweather's Wristguards ).
Also remember to take consumables with you, plenty of mana pots (I used the unstable mana potions on my paladin at first so that I could take them early in a fight and plenty of them without worrying about losing too much gold) and pots or flasks and food to supliment your gear. If you're still low on healing boost that, or go for mp5 stuff. Not sure how good the new spell crit food is for paladins, but that might be worth considering too if you are low on spell crit.
But, some cloth/leather items are well itemised (and there aren't many fights where armour class makes a difference) and sometimes the upgrade is too good to pass up (I had to force some epic leather healing bracers on a pala recently that was using Fairweather's Wristguards ).
Also remember to take consumables with you, plenty of mana pots (I used the unstable mana potions on my paladin at first so that I could take them early in a fight and plenty of them without worrying about losing too much gold) and pots or flasks and food to supliment your gear. If you're still low on healing boost that, or go for mp5 stuff. Not sure how good the new spell crit food is for paladins, but that might be worth considering too if you are low on spell crit.
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