i tried to pug a majority of a kara run on bane/illhoof/spite and must have gotten 2 or 3 people who were already locked to it and did not realize it. seriously, how hard is it to check your raid id before you come to a raid???? noobs...
on the bright side of things, i did discover that spite can be offtanked by a warrior in half s1 and a crap shield, as long as the healers have >1600 healing and the dps remember to step into the blue beam. we wiped 8 times before i got sick of a hunter fcking up the blue beam and kicked him from the raid.