T3, FSW, S1-3, D59er, R2D2....ARGH!Follow

No, he said you needed both gear and skill to win in arenas. Good players with mediocre gear can at least maintain a decent rating (low 1500's/upper 1400's), average players with mediocre gear can't.

Also, you called it an unbalance system. It isn't. You start out with the benefit of the doubt at 1500. If you aren't wearing decent PvP gear (which you aren't), or aren't skilled above the average player (I cannot say), you'll drop to where your skill and gear average out. As skill and gear increases, you'll raise in ranks. If anything, the weeks that poorly-geared, horrible players still manage to net decent arena points until they actually drop down to their own level is something to complain about (lost 9 5v5 games one night on a trash team with one person 3-boxing a prot warrior, a hunter in greens, and a decent rogue, and still managed to get more arena points than my mid-1500's 2v2).


Yes. It's called "leveling." If you never PvP'd or never grouped and did nothing but grind or solo quest, that's not our fault.

[quote]13 more years, kiddo. 13 more years. [quote]
You aren't helping your case, just so you know. Tommyguns can be annoying and/or whatever else, but he's also been around a hell of a lot more than you have. Post counts DO mean something.

Right now S1 gear comes from honor points. So does vindicators gear. S2-S3 come from arena points.

Currently vindicators is the best 'in slot' items.

This will all change in about a month when Arena Season 4 comes out. There is expected to be a new version of Vindicators gear. FYI, thats necklace, bracers, belt, boots, rings. There is also PVP trinkets.

Season 2 will become the new gear purchaseable through honor points. Season 3-4 gear will be available for arena points.



Its tough gearing up new characters, because theres so many choices to make. I like to grab vindicators pieces first for the most part. Why? Because unlike Season 1 gear, these cannot be replaced by arena pieces (ie: S3).

But the 'season' gear has nice set bonuses, for a 2 set and 4 set respectively. And all classes have a nice little class specific bonus on their PVP gloves.


Now there is also blue PVP rewards, that come from Outland rep vendors. These have piddly amounts of +damage, but they have respectable amounts of stamina and resilience. However they go in the same slots as 'arena gear'.

It honestly takes a while to gear up for PVP in this game. Too long imo. I want to PVP competitively, that part of the game is fun for me. The part I dislike is the grind. Its a long grind. If you play quite actively and focus strictly on PVP, you can probably gear up in a full arena season.

Unfortunately you're a little late. It's expected S4 will be the last arena season before the expansion. If you go full out gearing up now, I mean arena as best you can every week, while running battlegrounds like crazy, you might be 80% of the way geared by the end of the season to earn some sort of title.

WoTLK expansion will probably come just after the end of S4, thats my guess at least. Then arena will stop for a few weeks as everyone rushes to 80. Then what? No word if theres a new season at 80. I expect it though. Maybe season 1 all over again.

This will be a huge fresh start for tons and tons of players.

Protip: It's not the same thing mages used to do when my fully twinked level 19 prot paladin ran at them with blessing of freedom up. Man, that was always entertaining.

- No one knows when S4 is out save that it is over two weeks away. estimates range from 1 to 2 months.



S5 will be in WotLK.

And that, right there, is why you have problems in arena. There is no time to look stuff up - you have to know how to deal with every situation instantly.

careful, this is almost misinformation. after 1500, a win/loss counts for more(almost every rating inc/dec will give a point inc/dec). before 1500, a win/loss counts for less(every few rating inc/dec will give a point inc/dec).

so after 1500, wins feel great and losses are devistating when you drop 15 rating and thus lose ~15 pts. but before 1500 a drop of 15 rating might only take away ~2 pts.

but going from 1499 to 1501 is only 1 pt.

a 1600-1700 rating is a nice place to hang for farming pts. it weeds out noobs and odd team combos, yet remains dynamic enough to be fun and challenging.

Another ? did you buy ur account cause u said ur new to wow...you should know your class....thats all im wondering?

There are a couple of things... for example, resistances hurt. My lock is specced demonolgy, and so I get 70 resistance to all the different spell types (frost/fire/arcane/holy/nature) when I have my felhunter out, which is always in PvP. He could have also been a mage-vulnerable class and, as such, put on his +frost resist gear (because most mages are frost mages), or you could have just gotten *really* unlucky (but I doubt that, highly).

I just came across this thread. Most of your posts scream purchased account.

Why? Mainly because of your lack of knowledge of your class. I have a hunter main, and recently started leveling a mage as an alt. I won't say I know everything, but I've got them pretty figured out and have been plowing through levels.

You are the reason why Blizzard is making the game easy-sauce. You are the reason why equipment is half handed to people, gold is so easy to make, and nerfs are made.

"I just started and everyone is better than me! Wahhh I need gear to compete!"

So the gear people worked their butts off for early on are dropped in cost and made readily available.

Truth be told they will still wipe the floor with you.

You say you don't really know anything about other classes. Maybe instead of worrying about your gear you should L2P instead of "Frostbolt"ing your way through life taking the easy train.


Maybe you did manage to level to 70 in two months with oblivious knowledge of the game. Fine. A lot of people have been helpful in this thread. I expected much worse. /rant

None of your posts have been deleted, they're just skipped by the basic filter because they've been downrated so far.


It's not logarithmic.

THE SUMMARY OF THIS THREAD:
Get gear, learn your class, learn other classes.

EDIT: Tags > me
EDIT2: After an hour, calmed down and edited out some stuff.

Edited, Apr 8th 2008 4:27pm by lsfreak

That's right, it IS just a videogame. So why are you so fired up that someone you don't know called you out for not giving a damn about what you were doing 1-70? Elitist? Maybe. I can honestly say I still have a lot to learn about mages, only having a level 44, yet sadly I seem to STILL know more than YOU.

Gear has a lot to do with knowing your class and more importantly your spec. Would you equip priest gear for your mage with +Heal? I highly doubt it. Also your posting on a forum that is a resource for pretty much everything in the game. Have a question about gear? Try typing the name of the piece in the search window. Read, it does wonders.





Maybe you were swindled and irritated because of it :P Yes that's right now I'm trolling you.



Asking about gear had nothing to do with Bliz changing things. Wanting to be the best, have the best, apples to apples without much work is the problem. That is what you are looking for.




See above.



L2P