One pissed off Paladin...Follow

How I feel your pain, IMO the class has some issues at this point, not really end-game issues but leveling, we had this problem pretty much since the beginning. I leveled in outlands with my friend who was also a hunter.

Face it, keeping up is impossible, and there is not much you can do to help your self.


I am pretty sure alot of people here probably know some great Holy/Ret build for good survivabilty/damage but don't expect hunter style leveling.

imo sounds like you should have leveled as ret. prot questing is teh ghey.

The life span of Paladin leveling.

1)Levels 10-35/40 as Ret.

2)Levels 35/40-58 Prot

3)Levels 58-68/70 Ret.

Then you choose either Prot or Holy and start gearing up, or stay ret if you a ********* with no real end game ambitions.

yeah i agree with what you said about the talents. I think I might go and do 5mans from here on out as dps...I already respeced and added savagary to my new weapon.

Lvling as prot spec was really easy for me. However, if you're trying to lvl in prot gear then you're doing it wrong. Well maybe not wrong, but i'm sure its frustrating as hell.

I hope you kept all the +spell dam plate/mail you picked up along the way. This is what you should be lvling in. If not look to buy 'of the sorceror' gear. Stam, Int and spell dam is what you want for lvling. You should have 300+ spell dam in this gear and still be able to aoe grps of 5-6 melee with no problem. And taking down casters is much easier with a larger mana pool and more spell dam. Just drop SoC on em and unload . Sure its an inefficient use of mana and you'll have to drink alot, but you'll kill them much faster and as you increase your mana pool and spell dam, you won't have to drink after every caster kill. Also try to get into Sethekk halls(i think thats right) for the libram that increases your consecrate dam, this helps for those big aoe pulls.

Remember prot gear is only for instances and melee elites that are grp quests that you want to solo:)

To the OP - there wasn't enough detail in your original post to really help you out. If you were having problems taking on 1 caster the same level as you, then I think you are doing something wrong. If you were trying to AoE casters........I'll leave that one alone. If you're having problems with lvl 70 elite casters.....lol, I'll leave that alone too.

The point is, you may be beating yourself up for no reason. Like other posters above, I leveled Holy all the way, and never had any issues. My gear was crap, but it was still pretty easy. If I ran into problems, I would just ask for help. It's that easy.

So if you're having problems, then it's more likely something you're doing wrong. But without more detail, we can't really help you.

EDIT - and a Hunter will always level faster than a Prot Pally. Their DPS is mugh higher (unless you just AoE grind). So don't feel bad about your brother's Hunter leveling faster than you. What you should do is actually group with him and level together. Then, you'll both level REALLY REAALY fast....and at the same rate :)





Edited, Apr 1st 2008 6:25am by YJMark

I found it easier just to level via the dungeon/instance grind.

Helps plenty with gearing up as well as increasing skill and knowledge in taking on heroics down the track. I just picked the quest lines that had nice prot gear rewards or easy melee kills and ditched the rest.

After a while instance grinding pays off, if you have skill. You will have plenty of friends inviting you back to do heroics down the track.

(EDIT: This is coming from a Prot Pally that levelled from 58-70)

Edited, Apr 2nd 2008 9:59pm by arthoriuss

Yeah... you really want to cherish those 30-50 levels. That's where the true meat of the game is.

I don't raid, I have a very casual gaming experience, and I am enjoying so much of end-game.

End-game PvP does not require much time, and can be done by a casual gamer, and at their leisure, as they don't have to conform to a raid schedule. You can also do Arena at 70.

All of the instances (which there are a ton to choose from) can be over with in a couple hours, which is not a huge time investment, and the instances at lvl 70 are usually done quicker than the ones before that (try doing a full BRD run in one sitting.. brutal), while also having more strategy than other ones. So many tank and spank encounters in Vanilla WoW.

There are a myriad of factions to get reputation for, with enough variance between them to make it feel like you aren't doing the same thing over and over again.

Now there are a ton of daily quests, which you can pick and choose which ones you want to do, or you can do all of them in one go.

With so many gear options, and the Paladin's hybrid attribute, you can collect gear for multiple specs, and if you don't feel like being a tank or a healer or whatever that week, you can just switch. Sure, you can do that at any level, but at 70 you can sit and collect gear to optimize all of that.


My raiding experience is limited to 4 kara runs that never made it pass Curator, and I'm enjoying every bit of my end game experience.

It is good to see a Retribution Paladin at level 70, its always holy or prot.

I thought about doing a blood elf paladin, but the last time i tried it, SoC procced only 3 times in 9mins and it got me killed several times.

If I was levelling up a toon my goal would be to get him/her to 70 a couple of weeks before the expansion comes out. There a quite a few dungeons, questlines that you will want to do before going to northrend that will require you getting to 70 first. Shattered Halls is the best pally tanking instance. The TK instances all require flying mounts to get to as well.

I pushed right ahead while levelling up my pally and spent only a little time in EPL and WPL, mostly for Lore reasons. Silithus and winterspring I cant remember doing any quests in let alone either AQs, Blackwing Lair, Naxx. Now I know that those would have been tough to to get raid parties for a month or 2 after BC came out but I feel somewhat cheated trying them now. You shouldnt rush yourself getting to 70 but at the same time I would advise spending a wek or two at 70 before the expansion comes out.

Going back to those Pre BC instances now, I dont think most people appreciate how hard they probably were. S#it I can solo grind the first two street Stratholme and I only went there for my pally charger! Now Shattered Halls and the TK instances are bound to become the next generation of Scholomances and Lower Blackrock Spires!

Take some time to appreciate the level caps. Before proceeding to Outlands or for that instance Northrend.

/end QQ