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#1 Mar 31 2008 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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At 62 and fury specced I've tanked both ramparts and BF just fine. I know that at 70 is prot or nothing for tanking, but what about the middle level instances like mana-tombs, durnhold, and sethekk? At what point to I have to start declining when people ask the inevitable "can you tank?"
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#2 Mar 31 2008 at 8:45 AM Rating: Default
I tanked all the lvl 60-70 instances as fury/arms. At lvl 70 with good pvp gear, you can wreck instances like steamvaults etc. with a 2h and cyclone lol, keep's hate, even in berserker's mode if your healer can spam a bit :O. Only tough part is the bosses if they hit real hard, might have to put on the 490 defense gear.

But if you plan on doing any heroics at all, Prot is needed 100% to be effective. And if you plan on doing Kara or harder, you will need alot of badge gear / heroic drops before you start :P

So just depend's on what you want to tank. Most of the outland instances on normal mode, your spec really is irrelevant, assuming you have some decent tanking gear, or decent dps gear.
#3 Mar 31 2008 at 9:20 AM Rating: Good
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i think you can wait till 70 if you want. I just dinged 70 and have tanked instances as prot, fury and arms on my way up. Is prot needed? i dunno, but goddamn is it a lot easier. I respecced prot at 69 and tanked reg slabs with no CC other than seduce and normal geared people. It went great. So many tools to use. I really liked it.
#4 Mar 31 2008 at 11:25 AM Rating: Decent
Rikkitikkitavii wrote:
tanked all the lvl 60-70 instances as fury/arms. At lvl 70 with good pvp gear, you can wreck instances like steamvaults etc. with a 2h and cyclone lol, keep's hate, even in berserker's mode if your healer can spam a bit :O. Only tough part is the bosses if they hit real hard, might have to put on the 490 defense gear.


Dont do this. You should be able to tank Arm/Fury up until heroics at 70 but make sure you carry around at least a shield and 1h weapon. Even more "tanking" gear is even better but never tank with a 2h or DW and never tank outside of defensive stance.
#5 Mar 31 2008 at 1:38 PM Rating: Decent
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At lvl 70 with good pvp gear, you can wreck instances like steamvaults etc. with a 2h and cyclone lol, keep's hate, even in berserker's mode

So after you face your 1st huge boglord type mob just to your right, and you get 1 shotted by them... what does he do? Those are very hard hitting mobs.

I've never heard of someone recommending another Warrior to tank using a 2h and Berserker stance. Oy, sometimes I wish there were a ignore button.

Is Wartard a popular term yet? If that that would be used in the definition Smiley: lol.

I have DW swords in normal instances, but I'm in all KZ gear, I have to do that for the rage, also I take less damage than a normal tank going thru there in greens/blues/shield would. (on bosses and hard hitting mobs I put on my shield).
#6 Mar 31 2008 at 2:31 PM Rating: Decent
I did not "Recommend it" simply stated it can be done, Of course spec'ing prot is /easybutton for Instances, you don't have to be smart to figure that one out. Just saying you can keep your old spec if you plan on just doing easy lvl 70 instances.

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So after you face your 1st huge boglord type mob just to your right, and you get 1 shotted by them... what does he do? Those are very hard hitting mobs.


Notice the part where i stated "Put on your 490 defense gear", a Bog would be one of those instances where you need max defense and a shield.

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Is Wartard a popular term yet? If that that would be used in the definition

You just need to read a little more en-depth and figure out i mean the best, and am not advising him to run into SV and 2h the whole time. Every smart warrior has 2-3 set's of gear on hand. I carry a Hitrating/dps/tank set 100% of the time.
#7 Apr 01 2008 at 10:23 AM Rating: Good
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Is Wartard a popular term yet? If that that would be used in the definition icon.


I like the word "Warritard" myself, as it rhymes with warrior, kinda.



Anyway, Although you can tank up to 70 as arms/fury, you'll have a much easier time doing it as prot, I personnaly found it easier when trying to hit 70 aswell, dual wield devestate spam <3

As for heroics, don't 'zerker 2h it, you're better off getting the mage to tank.
#8 Apr 01 2008 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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Raids.

Tanking anywhere else is about gear and smart dps. The majority of the prot tree is about threat gen not mitigation.
#9 Apr 01 2008 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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Tanking anywhere else is about gear and smart dps. The majority of the prot tree is about threat gen not mitigation.


I actually agree with this. As a mid-60s prot spec, I can see that gear makes a much bigger difference in taking damage than your spec. That said, the most important part about being a tank is holding aggro, and with defensive gear you almost need the high-threat talents in deep prot.

Plus, spamming improved shield block has saved me more than once on a hard-hitting boss the healer can barely keep up with.
#10 Apr 01 2008 at 11:50 AM Rating: Decent
Party makeup also deals a heavy factor in whether arms/fury tanking is sufficient or not in my opinion. I am sure that depending on particular part setups, one could tank pretty much anything as arms/fury up to 70.

If you are like some people though, like myself, that have to go through with PuGs for the most part, it might be wise to go ahead and switch over to Protection. At 60+, the Protection grind isn't really that bad. I have been doing it since 60, and paired with instances it hasn't been bad at all. Plus, when you get into a group for, say, the Underbog, with three warlocks, 62, 66, and 70, and you are 63, then you might have wished that you had that perks that the Protection tree offers.

That really happened btw, and it was an intense experience no doubt.

Also, if you plan on going Protection at 70, there is never a time too soon to switch to Prot and begin learning the mechanics of tanking as the specialization. You only gain a few different abilities, but mastering them and using them properly can take some time and experience to do.
#11 Apr 01 2008 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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I've never heard of someone recommending another Warrior to tank using a 2h and Berserker stance. Oy, sometimes I wish there were a ignore button.


Heh. I have.

Not that one should, but one can tank with a 2h in 'zerker stance.

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Raids.

Tanking anywhere else is about gear and smart dps. The majority of the prot tree is about threat gen not mitigation.


Exactly, defiance, shield slam, one handed weapon spec...

But it has a bit of mitigation too, 5% more sta 10% more str is both in one, albeit str is a very low tps increase.

Anticipation, toughness and last stand are pretty useful, mitigation and 'survival tool'.

Shield mastery is tps and mitigation (once you get enough shield block, you can as prot grind many mobs without taking a single point of damage).

Imp def stance is mitigation.

Devastate should be more threat... We'll probably see an increase to devastate tps once we get to 80, but I have a sneaky suspicion that bliz will make it less useful; ie. how sunder got gimped (nerfed) post 60 for tanking when BC came out. it is a tps talent, but it's tps scales very poorly.




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Plus, spamming improved shield block has saved me more than once on a hard-hitting boss the healer can barely keep up with.


Yeah, once you get to raiding, you'll have shield block up 100% (or as close to as possible) on boss fights.

Crushing blows hurt a lot, and pushing them off that hit table is really really important.

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On a side note, conc blow is very useful for tanking, combined with imp revenge and imp shield bash, you can keep caster mobs from doing some nasty things.

#12 Apr 03 2008 at 8:48 AM Rating: Decent
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To begin with -

Only tank in defensive stance with sword and board. While it could be done in other stances / gear - your healer will generate more threat from spamming heals on you as you are going to be getting hit much harder.

But - as for Prot. tanking. I switched once I hit 70 and got a decent sheild. I am still building gear up. However, my experience is - tanking is much smoother with a prot. tank. I am now on the Heroic level instances and love it.

As a side note - many of those annoying group quest that required 2-3 people, I was able to solo as Prot. tank. My survivalbility went through the roof. Now, don't expect to set the woods on fire in the DPS category. Your DPS will. um... well - not be so good. But, for me, it felt good to be able to do some of those harder group quest.

Also, DPS warriors in instances are a rarity in higher level instances. I have not seen one DPS warrior in the Heroic level instances yet. I am NOT saying it can't be done - because I believe it can be done very well. I'm just saying there aren't that many.

Have fun and good luck. After I swithced to Prot. warrior - I fell in love with my warrior once again. Now - for the badge gear!

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Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 11:06pm by CrazyClalf
#13 Apr 03 2008 at 11:01 AM Rating: Decent
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I leveled my warrior up to 70 as Arms/Prot, using a 35/5/21 spec. This allowed me to use MS with a 2 hander when grinding/pvping and had the nice perks of improved shield block, shield spec, last stand, and concussion blow. I know most bosses are immune to stun effects. It was just nice to be able to stun someone for 5 secs while you beat on them. With this build I was able to tank all the normal instances and and not be a turtle while grinding.
I've since gone prot. and am loving it. I never realized how many instant attacks a prot. warrior has. Sure the numbers aren't as big, but they sure happen a lot quicker.
#14 Apr 03 2008 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Only tank in defensive stance with shield and board.

FTFY;
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sword and board


There are many fights that require berserk stance too. Ever get feared? Battle stance has mocking blow, which way too many tanks forget they even have.

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Also, DPS warriors in instances are a rarity in higher level instances. I have not seen one DPS warrior in the Heroic level instances yet.


You just haven't seen them. But they are around. Think of a DPS warrior as one of the best OT's, side by side with feral druids (imHo).

When my guild started doing heroics aeon's ago, we took 2 warriors, one to tank, one to dps/ot. We didn't have the geared tanks to handle more than 2 mobs at once in heroics, so having a 2nd tank that can DPS on bosses made heroics really easy.
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