magisters terrace questionFollow

Just was curious what gear I should have if I'd like to try and attempt to tank the normal 5 man magisters terrace. From what everyone has been saying on my server, you need to be fully kara epic'd to even attempt it, but that seems a little pointless, since if you're that well geared why not just hit the heroic version getting more rep and access to better gear faster.

So hoping that one of our many high end raiding tankadins can give me some good feedback on what to expect. As for my gear the only thing I really need to work on is my avoidance, last time I looked I was just about 10% or so shy of the 102.4% avoidance stat for tanking kara. Stamina and everything else are good, so hope that with a few gem changes I can up my avoidance to the full 102.4%

Thanks for any info

No, you don't need to be Kara geared for normal MgT. However, even as a Tankadin, I hugely recommend CC there. Take a look at my gear, and going balls to the walls, tanking everything, I was still seeing times (with a Tier 4/5 geared healer) that I was dropping down to about 3-4k health: this just won't happen in any other normal instance.

Heroic, I would say is the second hardest overall, bosses and trash, with Old Hillsbrad being the beast to take the cake (still haven't finished that one cause no one will go there ...).

Casters suck. MgT was like Mana Tombs on steroids ... But I liked it a lot!

This is like the people on my server saying it's as hard or harder than heroics ... just not true. Magister's Terrace is a tough 5-man, but a lot of it is a test of coordination (and of your healer), and having a balanced party.

heroics are harder than regular MT (obviously :P). If you can tank the easier heroics, then you can go to MT. Either way, you should try it, and see what happens. It's always fun :)

The key to MT (for me) was ranged DPS. Especially on last boss.

Edited, Mar 31st 2008 8:38am by YJMark

Just to say when anyone new gets there what worked really well for one of my groups was when you're in the air, all head toward the door, then when the orbs come toward you, fly over them back to Kael. Keeps the orbs clumped and easy to dodge. Only bad thing is if you DO ***** up, then you WILL die cause of all the orbs on you basically at the same time.

I had only done it on regular, cleared it pretty smooth on the first run. As a tankadin I hate to admit using CC, but it does come in nicely here. It's not all that hard, and no, as its been said, no need to be Kara epic'd out. Also I heard about this birg and egg bit on Kael, I guess I lucked out..No egg, or bird. Fight probably lasted...30-45 secs. :)

I found the Door trick works very well. I tell everyone that I will not heal during that phase. (which is generally a white lie since I will Holy Shock them)

If they all do it right, I can get everyone topped off as soon as we all land.

Also, stay off the ground. It will do damage to you if you try to walk on the bottom.

That's what people always say, then the aoe greatness of paladin tanks shine through.

For sure I wouldn't attempt it on heroic, but on normal.. yeah it's doable.

If you carry a moderate amount of consumables with you a pally, priest, warlock, or shaman should all be able to easily solo Kael'thas from 50% to dead (i.e. through the gravity lapses). I've done it 4 times, 1 non-heroic on my pally, twice on heroic with her and once as a lock on heroic. It can take just this side of forever to do, but it should be a 100% win.



(Upon further consideration, MAYBE a ret pally or enhance shaman would have trouble with it, having neither large mana or HP pools. Even then, though, consumables should make it 100%)

LoS every large pull when you can, make sure that when the mobs run to you that their path won't pull any additional grps. Def don't need to be uncrushable for any of this instance(heroic or normal), max stam and max spell dam seems the way to go. Only time i've had to use cc is when i had a druid healer on heroic, that was painful:(

Would recommend 1 cc for heroic, unless your dps and healer are really well geared. Rogue works great now that shield pulls won't break sap, my preferred cc atm. Also would recommend max spell dam/pvp/holy gear for 3rd boss as there is no agro table, just pull em and start healing the squishys with concentration aura up.

Don't bring 3 melee, sure the trash dies practically instantly, but the 2nd and last boss are quite difficult without range. Although 2nd boss if you dps slow enough to allow time for heals between pure energy sparks you'll be fine. PvP fight(3rd boss) was cake with 2 warrs and a rogue tho. Last boss is nearly impossible with 3 melee.

Basically is you aren't fully kara/badge epicced and your healer isn't equally or better geared than you, bring plenty of cc. If you both are t4/t5 fully epicced then you should be able to go all out without cc.

Have yet to run this with a warr tank(i have a 70 rogue as well), but i hear its painful, which is most likely why you're hearing bogus gear requirements for the instance. For warr tank, you prolly do need significantly better gear to be any where near as effective as a pally tank in this particular instance.

Yeah, I went with a warrior tank, and was wishing for a Pally tank... As a healer, I got slammed during large pulls before 2nd boss. Group refused to wait for my bubble CD to be up. lol

Either way, it's a fun instance. Just go to wowwiki for strategies, and you'll be fine.

This instance really isn't "geared for" paladin tanks over warrior tanks. If that were true, then there would be no spell casters. It's just that as usual, Paladin tanks are better for the 5-man instances than warriors because of our multi-mob tanking abilities.

It wasn't bliz saying "We'll give an instance to the Paladins, y'know throw them a bone" more like "Here's an instance" and.. Paladins are just better by default because it's an instance.

No instances are specifically for one type of tank. For the MT run I was referring to - the warrior did awesome in all places except for the part with all the flying worms. I always had a bunch fly at me after a few FoLs. Bubble worked fine for first pull. But then, they didn't wait for my bubble CD for second pull. So I got killed....All is good though. Bliz did a good job on this one.