Mutilate questionFollow

This is probably one of those stupid questions I ask sometimes, so if you have an allergy to stupid you should stop right here and go read some Voltaire. I hear Voltaire is pretty smart.

Something that occurred to me last night about mutilate. Muti gives you +50% extra damage if the target is poisoned, so obviously you want the target poisoned all the time. I gather via skimming muti-related posts that people use Deadly Poison for this because it a) deals damage and b) can be used with Envenom.

That makes sense until I remembered that you need to be behind the target to use Mutilate at all. To get behind a target, you need to stun or incapacitate it, which is where I find issue; if you've got Deadly ticking on a mob to give your Mutilate extra damage, how the hell do you use Gouge to get behind it in order to Mutilate it?

Or do you just rely on KS and its 20 sec cooldown, giving you one or two Mutilates per fight given that you already have a few combo points built on the target from...something other than Mutilate? How do you build combo points for KS if you need KS in order to Mutilate in order to build combo points? If you have to open with CS to build combo points, what do you do with the Ambush that is available to you with your mandatory daggers? Does Ambush go off the action bar completely?

...or do you just use crips or something. I don't know. Like I said, this is probably a stupid question. It just seems to me like a really crap case of Mut not working well with every other ability you have.

If you're talking about PvE, I just use Instant MH/Crip OH.

In PvP, you should always be using Wound MH/Crip OH.

Not really. Most people don't have a clue when it comes to poisons.

Just wondering why you waste CP's.

Actually, depending on your spec, it could possibly give you nine(2 double crits = 6 + CS w/ Initiative proc = 9).

You should only use one muti after a CS. Unless they're up facing a wall, I always open on mages with Garrote > Shiv > Muti. Then their nova gets resisted....and I laugh. :)

Stun time = damage = faster kills.

CPs don't really matter when you're grinding as Mut.

Since when you get 20 energy after a second? Just pointing out your mistake ;)
So KS would wear off on T10 and you would have 60 energy on T10.1 only

for pve,
i go double deadly poison.
CS -> wait either 3 seconds or for first poison to tick -> mutilate. this puts you at either 4 or 5 CP.

wait till 70 - 80 energy -> KS -> 2X mutilate. if the mob isnt dead then use envenom as soon as its ready.

this is for solo.
for instances i go double deadly poison, and i open with garrote or ambush, mutilate, rupture, then change targets. the idea is so i can get DoTs on multiple targets to keep my overall dps high. for me, mutilate is pretty good damage, but i use it primarily as a CP generator for rupture or envenom when i have extra CP to burn.

Edited, Mar 30th 2008 10:50pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator

Edited, Mar 30th 2008 10:50pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator

You should have.

Double DP is pointless. I don't need to read an idea that's been done over and over in the past year plus and discarded every time as not viable because some ****** grinds like that and thinks that he's awesome.

In raids, if you're not getting WF, your raid leader fails.

And IP/DP for MH/OH is by far superior for DPS anyway.

Am I the only one who times his energy with his DP tick to get off a gouge and use it to mutilate when the KS is down?

It's not that hard to do, and when you're soloing, it's very convenient.

CS, Mut, KS, Mut, wait until you've got enough energy for a gouge + mutilate, and then as soon as DP hits, gouge-jump-turn-Mut.

Sometimes it's a little off and there isn't enough energy for the last mutilate, but I usually get another energy tick before DP breaks gouge...

Or is that so complicated as to not be worth it anymore?

Been thinking about this whole dual DP thing. I'm using IP+DP for my questing and whatnot and changing MH to crippling in instances with runners. Seems to work rather well.

There is at least one exception though that IMO would warrant using dual DP: Murmur in SL. He is immune to bleeds, but according to to wowwiki not immune to poisons. Wouldn't it be rather beneficial to ensure keeping a full stack on him to finish with 4-point Envenom rather than Eviscerate, at least for a muti rogue? I'm 66 1/3 now, so I haven't met Murmur yet with my rogue. Thoughts? Other mobs like him?