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#1 Mar 28 2008 at 8:00 AM Rating: Decent
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II thought I was going crazy but since the patch I seem to be going OOM after every other mob! Then I read on wowinsider about the nerf: "Spirit-Based Mana Regeneration: This system has been adjusted so that as your intellect rises, you will regenerate more mana per point of spirit. The current estimation is that any hunter with less than 300 intellect is being negatively affected by the change. Despite some claims that only lowbie hunters will be affected, many 70s are being hard-hit." I know I am only level 40 but it doesn't sound like it is going to get better at level 70? Has anyone else notice this change or been effected at level 70 by this?
#2 Mar 28 2008 at 12:34 PM Rating: Decent
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The only time I go OOM are on longer boss fights. As far as normal mobs, I rarely go OOM at all.
#3 Mar 28 2008 at 12:44 PM Rating: Decent
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This has been discussed a little bit here. I haven't tried leveling on my lowbie hunter yet, but my 70 hunter hasn't been hit too hard. I have 260 int, so I hardly notice a difference.

#4 Mar 29 2008 at 4:21 AM Rating: Decent
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hunters have made nearly zero use of spirit based mana regen.
You fire specials more then once each 5 seconds thus hardly ever get to make use of that rule during combat.
a.k.a you saying that you are suddenly OoM way faster when fighting mobs simply isnt true.
#5 Mar 29 2008 at 10:32 AM Rating: Good
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Aethien wrote:
hunters have made nearly zero use of spirit based mana regen.
You fire specials more then once each 5 seconds thus hardly ever get to make use of that rule during combat.
a.k.a you saying that you are suddenly OoM way faster when fighting mobs simply isnt true.


I noticed it immediately after the patch, but I rarely use more than 1-2 specials/mob while farming so used to get a decent amount of regen between mobs.

Now I just throw on viper and move slightly slower, not a huge deal. <shrug>
#6 Mar 29 2008 at 1:19 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, in raiding and instances it doesn't make a huge difference. But when you're out solo grinding, it can be noticeable- especially if you were one of the people to lose upwards of 50 MP/5.
#7 Mar 30 2008 at 4:28 AM Rating: Decent
Yeah I've noticed that I use mana faster. I usually have the mana regen aspect on from near the start on boss fights, doing the same I did before.
#8 Mar 30 2008 at 6:10 AM Rating: Decent
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There was no change to mana use or in combat mana regen. So whatever you're noticing is either for other reasons or all in your head.
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#9 Mar 30 2008 at 8:11 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm still a lowbie hunter, but before the patch I would almost regen the mana that I spent on an arcane shot just after the cool down was over; meaning I rarely dropped below 70% mana. Now I have to drink after 4-5 mobs. That was just an auto shot, arcane shot cycle.
#10 Mar 30 2008 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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Xsarus wrote:
There was no change to mana use or in combat mana regen. So whatever you're noticing is either for other reasons or all in your head.

I think it's with the rate at which we regain mana now. I think I read we no longer get back as much mana a tick as we did before. Well depending on your Int I think it said. The change helps jobs that rely heavily on mana and have a whole lot of it. It doesn't work as well for most hunters since they don't seem to have the same Int as other jobs.

Something like that.
#11 Mar 30 2008 at 12:00 PM Rating: Good
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Xsarus was talking about this I believe:

"Yeah I've noticed that I use mana faster. I usually have the mana regen aspect on from near the start on boss fights, doing the same I did before."
#12 Mar 30 2008 at 1:59 PM Rating: Decent
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I guess i'm the only one who always has done grinding in viper with a full on rotation? oO

And no, i never go OoM like that, and i hardly ever have more then 5 seconds between mobs so i never get more then 2 maybe 3 ticks of mana regen outside of the 5 second rule...
#13 Mar 30 2008 at 2:47 PM Rating: Good
Aethien wrote:
I guess i'm the only one who always has done grinding in viper with a full on rotation? oO

Nope, I've always done that for my grinding as well and haven't had any problems.
#14 Mar 30 2008 at 5:17 PM Rating: Decent
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I usually have the mana regen aspect on from near the start on boss fights


Now why would you have a mana regenerating aspect on during a boss fight when you could have Aspect of the Hawk on for more damage? That makes no sense to me.
#15 Mar 30 2008 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
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because he's cheap and doesnt want to chainchug fel mana pots from ~95% mana?
#16 Apr 01 2008 at 8:37 AM Rating: Good
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Aethien wrote:
I guess i'm the only one who always has done grinding in viper with a full on rotation? oO

And no, i never go OoM like that, and i hardly ever have more then 5 seconds between mobs so i never get more then 2 maybe 3 ticks of mana regen outside of the 5 second rule...


No, I grind with AotV on but I don't really do full DPS rotation (trinkets and all that). I stay 1:1 and the only time I break it is to toss a Mend Pet on Morris or FD if I'm pulling aggro from Morris (which seems to happen more often now, but I am doing a lot more damage these days).

This gives me at least half mana (usually 2/3rds) in case something goes horribly wrong or I get adds I have to deal with.

With AotH on, I have to stop and chew on a Pod about 3-4 mobs. I don't really lose much time because I send Morris after the next target while I eat. Once I had to get up and fire an arcane because he had the target near death before I'd finished! I guess I couldn't do that trick if I were BM, but then again, if I were BM, I probably wouldn't be going OoM since it's more mana efficient.
#17 Apr 01 2008 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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Why wouldnt you use trinkets and stuff while soloing?
It simply kills of mobs quicker every 2/3 minutes.
So it makes for quicker farming wich is a definite plus in my book.
#18 Apr 03 2008 at 7:32 AM Rating: Good
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It does go faster but even without the trinks I am starting to pull aggro too fast from my pet. Maybe if I triggered them towards the last half of a targets health or something...

I generally grind in 'easy mode', usually chatting with a friend or something, texting in the chat window, whatnot.

My focus isn't normally on grinding. I've even read books and catalogs while grinding.

So time generally isn't my constraint if I'm grinding. The same is not true for questing and such. Then I trinket and go for max dps.

I can't help it. I'm lazy.
#19 Apr 03 2008 at 7:39 AM Rating: Decent
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Send in pet, shoot one, target next mob, fire trinkets and kill it before it reaches you, finish off mob your pet is fighting.
#20 Apr 03 2008 at 2:42 PM Rating: Good
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Too dang efficient...

I do:

Mark Target
Send Pet
Heal Pet
Start Aimed
Check out model on page 34 of the latest Victoria's Secret catalog
Occasionally hit Steady shot
Check to see if target is dead
Nope, check aggro rates then check out next model
Target dead, move on to next target

Rinse, wash and repeat.

Highly ineffective and inefficient, but I'm just blowing time grinding anyway right?

LOL!

(I use something close to your description if I'm in a hurry or need a particular 'thing' from the targets. I consider that actual questing!)
#21 Apr 04 2008 at 1:46 PM Rating: Decent
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I grind using AotV also. That let's me use my regular shot rotation (after giving my pet a couple seconds to firmly get aggro) without going oom too quickly. I usually sit and drink every four to six soloed mobs. I keep pots, TBW and trinkets in reserve in case I accidentally get multiples.


I probably shouldn't admit this but I usually start boss fights with AotV also. It helps me avoid pulling aggro at the beginning and keep my mana up. Once the tank firmly has aggro I'll switch to AotH.

Edited, Apr 4th 2008 3:34pm by ItsaGaAs
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