This is annoying. It's similar to a priest, "you healing?" "No I'm shadow".
I understand you're not specced to tank, and though i've never done it, leveling as a prot warrior doesn't sound fun.
But you can still tank!
I've leveled up a 65 warrior, fury the entire way and i tanked instances just fine. Including BRD, ramparts, underbog, and i think mana tombs. It wasn't as smooth as a prot warrior would've done, but they were all still completed.
Tank and healer are the hardest people to find for a group. I found it incredibly annoying healing instances with my ret paladin and he leveled, but i did it anyways for the greater good.
And i accepted tanking and was succesful at it as a fury warrior.
Really, the only "Tank" i expect to have that is specced to tank pre-70 is a Paladin. And really, who wouldn't rather have a paladin tank than a warrior tank?
haha oh man.
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Druids should also be specced to tank pre-70, but that's mainly because there are very few talents in the balance/resto trees that are any good for a feral druid, and 90% of druids level as feral.
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That's true.
But i don't know if it's just my luck, but i've rarely got a bear tanking instances i run. I think they either fall under the same, "i'm dps", rule when asked to tank or i dont know what else.
But i don't know if it's just my luck, but i've rarely got a bear tanking instances i run. I think they either fall under the same, "i'm dps", rule when asked to tank or i dont know what else.
I normally don't have a problem with tanking if asked. I usually carry a shield with me. That said, my gear is for DPS. I only have 7.5k life unbuffed. If the healer is ok with that and we have good CC, I'm all for it. But things need to go really really well with a Fury tank to avoid wipes. I just don't have the HP pool to take too many big hits if things get out of hand.
Though I have been collecting Prot pieces so I can be more of a tank if I'm needed to. Though heroics, I think, will almost always be out of the question unless i respec.
Edited, Mar 27th 2008 4:51pm by Aniclator
Though I have been collecting Prot pieces so I can be more of a tank if I'm needed to. Though heroics, I think, will almost always be out of the question unless i respec.
Edited, Mar 27th 2008 4:51pm by Aniclator
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Posted: Mar 28 2008 at 12:30 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Fury spec gives you alot more versatility.. you can quest, pvp, dungeon, and tank when needed. For that reason i will always be fury unless raiding kara.
I tanked every 70 normal instance arms before i finally broke down and went prot. Having a pally in the group for salvation helps alot with the threat issue. But it's night and day to prot. That being said a furry war is capable of >1000 TPS plus cleave and whirlwind for multiple targets. Been thinking about trying furry for a bit since my upcomming schedule will make it hard to make raids.
if someone wants to roll a class that can tank or heal and not do it, then why the heck did they roll that class.
people like that are usually nubs, and usually suck at their class too. it just hurts everyone.
the worst are people who say they can 'heal' or 'tank', but end up nuking and dpsing, or using a 2h weapon to tank. at that point you have to kick them, find another repleacement, summon, and usually reset the instance.
such an utter waste of time.
this all goes into probably the only thing i liked about FF11's levelling, is that you have to do it in a party, and if you showed up as a healer and said you werent healing you were kicked immediately, and there is no solo levelling in ff11 so you were stuck.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 4:56pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
people like that are usually nubs, and usually suck at their class too. it just hurts everyone.
the worst are people who say they can 'heal' or 'tank', but end up nuking and dpsing, or using a 2h weapon to tank. at that point you have to kick them, find another repleacement, summon, and usually reset the instance.
such an utter waste of time.
this all goes into probably the only thing i liked about FF11's levelling, is that you have to do it in a party, and if you showed up as a healer and said you werent healing you were kicked immediately, and there is no solo levelling in ff11 so you were stuck.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 4:56pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
EnthalpyTheBurninator wrote:
if someone wants to roll a class that can tank or heal and not do it, then why the heck did they roll that class.
people like that are usually nubs, and usually suck at their class too. it just hurts everyone.
people like that are usually nubs, and usually suck at their class too. it just hurts everyone.
You're so wrong.
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EnthalpyTheBurninator wrote:
if someone wants to roll a class that can tank or heal and not do it, then why the heck did they roll that class.
people like that are usually nubs, and usually suck at their class too. it just hurts everyone.
people like that are usually nubs, and usually suck at their class too. it just hurts everyone.
So you just called all of these specs pointless...
Elemental/Enhance Shammy
Fury/Arms Warrior
Balance Druid
Shadow Priest
Ret Pally
ALL of those specs are viable within instances and raids.
It's just less hassle to tank as Prot vice fury/arms. Thats why many don't do it. I sure as heck don't because the TPS is the sux unless I wear my DPS gear, which is ok for Normal mode, but heroics, I spec prot and don the tank gear. I have about 10k unbuffed in my DPS gear...the funny thing is...I have way more armor in my DPS gear than my tank gear lol.
no i did not call those specs pointless. i think i did not say what i meant to very clearly.
what i meant was, if your going to roll a class that can tank or heal, then be prepared to do so for the sake of the party, especially during the xp grind.
rolling a class like priest and as your levelling saying "im a DPS priest only" is stupid. theres so many people who are all like "i dont heal" or "i dont tank" because its "not as fun as doing damage". then the party has to find a real healer or tank and forfeit a spot they could have spent on a better DD(this is a generalization because the majority of people ive met who pidgeon hole usually suck at their class). those people dont know how to work on a team and that hurts mmo's in general.
believe me i have nothing but respect for the shadow priest who will heal so we can run an instance instead of wait another half hour looking for members. same with the elemental or enhance shammy. the fury and arms warriors and ret pallies that carry a different set of gear so they can tank instances for us. my issue is mainly with the priests, paladins, shammys, and warriors join a party which needed a heal or tank, then say "oh but i dont [heal/tank]" and get pissed off when you tell them to leave, or when they say they will reluctantly, then do a terrible job at it then leave party in the middle of the instance. ive seen this happen a LOT during the xp grind, and i think thats what the OP is talking about.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 11:51pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 11:52pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
what i meant was, if your going to roll a class that can tank or heal, then be prepared to do so for the sake of the party, especially during the xp grind.
rolling a class like priest and as your levelling saying "im a DPS priest only" is stupid. theres so many people who are all like "i dont heal" or "i dont tank" because its "not as fun as doing damage". then the party has to find a real healer or tank and forfeit a spot they could have spent on a better DD(this is a generalization because the majority of people ive met who pidgeon hole usually suck at their class). those people dont know how to work on a team and that hurts mmo's in general.
believe me i have nothing but respect for the shadow priest who will heal so we can run an instance instead of wait another half hour looking for members. same with the elemental or enhance shammy. the fury and arms warriors and ret pallies that carry a different set of gear so they can tank instances for us. my issue is mainly with the priests, paladins, shammys, and warriors join a party which needed a heal or tank, then say "oh but i dont [heal/tank]" and get pissed off when you tell them to leave, or when they say they will reluctantly, then do a terrible job at it then leave party in the middle of the instance. ive seen this happen a LOT during the xp grind, and i think thats what the OP is talking about.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 11:51pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 11:52pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
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I have way more armor in my DPS gear than my tank gear lol.
Uh... without the shield, I'm guessing.
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This is annoying. It's similar to a priest, "you healing?" "No I'm shadow".
I understand you're not specced to tank, and though i've never done it, leveling as a prot warrior doesn't sound fun.
But you can still tank!
I understand you're not specced to tank, and though i've never done it, leveling as a prot warrior doesn't sound fun.
But you can still tank!
I find it actually more and more difficult to go and tank as DPS specced warrior.
I did almost all instances that way during leveling but now I am usually unable to do so. Or maybe not unable - unwilling rather.
My tanking gear is too good to tank normal instances and my aggro generation is to miserable in tanking gear to hold aggro against any of guildies.
Of course I could switch some gear for more rage and yell at DPS to take naps every second hit/spell but it is no fun and I play for fun tbh.
On the other hand I can now tank almost all normal instances in PvP gear with 2 H out as long as I can get SS WW combo before DPS starts nuking. I just need a good healer for that.
Yes I also beleved once that only noobs don't use shields :P
Once you pass some stages new horisonts can be seen and things yoo saw as a HUDGE nono become avialable.
And it is funny to get wisper from 68 rogue "Use shield noob" at start of an instance and see his amazment a few pulls later.
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if someone wants to roll a class that can tank or heal and not do it, then why the heck did they roll that class.
people like that are usually nubs, and usually suck at their class too. it just hurts everyone.
people like that are usually nubs, and usually suck at their class too. it just hurts everyone.
if someone rolls a dps class and can't dps, then why the heck did they roll that class.
peaople like huntards, nearly all mages, fire locks, a lot of the retardins, sub rogues in pve.
they do this because it how they want to play the game, not because someone has told them they must play that way
I don't understand the point of this thread. Not all people are able or willing to tank/heal even if they are a class that could do it. It could be their build, gear, skill, desire, what they had for breakfast, or just the color of the sky that day. Who cares.
Find out their spec and/or capabilities BEFORE you invite them to a group. Problem solved.
Find out their spec and/or capabilities BEFORE you invite them to a group. Problem solved.
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I don't understand the point of this thread. Not all people are able or willing to tank/heal even if they are a class that could do it. It could be their build, gear, skill, desire, what they had for breakfast, or just the color of the sky that day. Who cares.
Find out their spec and/or capabilities BEFORE you invite them to a group. Problem solved.
Find out their spec and/or capabilities BEFORE you invite them to a group. Problem solved.
My thoughts exactly
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If someone asks me to tank, and I'm specced something other than prot., I'll tell them up front that I'm not specced to tank and I won't join their group. If I went through the expense of respeccing for something, chances are I'm not wanting to do any tanking then, anyway. I keep my tanking set on me all the time, but for me, at least, it's a pain in the butt to tank in arms or fury. That said, though, I don't try to join a group as a tank when I'm not specced for it. That's kinda rude. But if a warrior's just running around doing his thing, and someone asks him to tank and he says no, then find another one. It's one thing not to be specced for tanking, but it's another thing trying to join a group under false pretenses.
Edited, Apr 4th 2008 1:43pm by SirAthroOfGate
Edited, Apr 4th 2008 1:43pm by SirAthroOfGate
If someone doesn't want to tank why should they be forced to tank? You don't have to invite them to your group if you don't want to. A shortage of tanks is not going to be cured by forcing dps to tank.
I've asked shadow priests to groups both as healers and as dps. However before inviting them I let them know what I expect. If I send a tell to someone asking if they want to heal or tank and instance and they respond by saying they're fury or shadow I'm not going to say come anyways. They might not be comfortable doing it or have a separate gear set ready.
You don't jump on a bus going to the Bronx and ask to be dropped off in New Jersey. Can it take you to New Jersey? Oh sure it's capable, it has 4 wheels and gas tank. That doesn't mean the driver wants to or even can.
Edited, Apr 5th 2008 3:07am by MentalFrog
I've asked shadow priests to groups both as healers and as dps. However before inviting them I let them know what I expect. If I send a tell to someone asking if they want to heal or tank and instance and they respond by saying they're fury or shadow I'm not going to say come anyways. They might not be comfortable doing it or have a separate gear set ready.
You don't jump on a bus going to the Bronx and ask to be dropped off in New Jersey. Can it take you to New Jersey? Oh sure it's capable, it has 4 wheels and gas tank. That doesn't mean the driver wants to or even can.
Edited, Apr 5th 2008 3:07am by MentalFrog
This is why I love being a Druid. I have three sets which enables me to tank, heal and assume the role of DPS if need be. My healing will suck compared to a Restoration Druid, but, hell, it's better than nothing.
I love my Warrior for the unbridled asswhoopin' he can unleash when paired up with a healer (Restoration Druid preferably). Holy hell.
I love my Warrior for the unbridled asswhoopin' he can unleash when paired up with a healer (Restoration Druid preferably). Holy hell.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
on my ret pally, during levelling, if someone asks me to tank, or heal, i switch gear and do it because i know its for the benefit of the group and for my XP and gear.
on my warrior if someone asks me to tank (i'm DW fury) i'll do it. i have gear with some defense rating and stam on it. im not in outlands yet, but i know up till i get there that i can tank well. i'm very comfortable tanking 2-4 mobs at a time too. ive found as fury spec i get rage faster due to berserker rage talent and the tier 2 talent (is it unbriddled wrath?), and i can spam thunderclap and cleave and still have enough left over to sunder 3-4 mobs at a time, and IM DPS SPECCED!
spec doesnt matter. thats why i hate people who are like "im fury so i cant tank". I agree with the OP that when it comes to tanking, an enhancement shammy can sometimes do it (lower to mid levels), a balance or resto druid can do it (mid levels), a ret pally can do it (through outlands), and even though prot and feral specs are the best if someone cares enough, gears for it, or is skilled enough, they will be able to do it and do it well.
on my warrior if someone asks me to tank (i'm DW fury) i'll do it. i have gear with some defense rating and stam on it. im not in outlands yet, but i know up till i get there that i can tank well. i'm very comfortable tanking 2-4 mobs at a time too. ive found as fury spec i get rage faster due to berserker rage talent and the tier 2 talent (is it unbriddled wrath?), and i can spam thunderclap and cleave and still have enough left over to sunder 3-4 mobs at a time, and IM DPS SPECCED!
spec doesnt matter. thats why i hate people who are like "im fury so i cant tank". I agree with the OP that when it comes to tanking, an enhancement shammy can sometimes do it (lower to mid levels), a balance or resto druid can do it (mid levels), a ret pally can do it (through outlands), and even though prot and feral specs are the best if someone cares enough, gears for it, or is skilled enough, they will be able to do it and do it well.
EnthalpyTheBurninator wrote:
if someone wants to roll a class that can tank or heal and not do it, then why the heck did they roll that class.
people like that are usually nubs, and usually suck at their class too. it just hurts everyone.
the worst are people who say they can 'heal' or 'tank', but end up nuking and dpsing, or using a 2h weapon to tank. at that point you have to kick them, find another repleacement, summon, and usually reset the instance.
such an utter waste of time.
this all goes into probably the only thing i liked about FF11's levelling, is that you have to do it in a party, and if you showed up as a healer and said you werent healing you were kicked immediately, and there is no solo levelling in ff11 so you were stuck.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 4:56pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
people like that are usually nubs, and usually suck at their class too. it just hurts everyone.
the worst are people who say they can 'heal' or 'tank', but end up nuking and dpsing, or using a 2h weapon to tank. at that point you have to kick them, find another repleacement, summon, and usually reset the instance.
such an utter waste of time.
this all goes into probably the only thing i liked about FF11's levelling, is that you have to do it in a party, and if you showed up as a healer and said you werent healing you were kicked immediately, and there is no solo levelling in ff11 so you were stuck.
Edited, Apr 3rd 2008 4:56pm by EnthalpyTheBurninator
I have a druid tank. I have warrior dps. When I dps on my warrior, I offtank casters and provide good buffs and top the dps meter. Maybe you suck. I don't.
Well my priest is holy and staying holy. My warrior tanked and tanked all the way to 70. Then at 70 I chose to use my warrior as an ally wrecking machine. SO I went pvp spec. Arms. I don't get any invites to groups but when theres trouble at tarren mill or crossroads and some allies need a beatdown. Well the cheers and salutes make it worth while.
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I have way more armor in my DPS gear than my tank gear lol.
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Uh... without the shield, I'm guessing
Yeah...I think what I meant to say was I had way more Stam in my DPS gear than my Tank gear (shield included with DPS gear). Either way, I have more Stam and just about the same Armor in my DPS gear as my Tank gear. My tank gear is kara epics, my dps gear is ssc/tk/hyjal epics. so...yeah. I got some new tanking shoulders from Supremus the other day though (72stam!)
Edited, Apr 7th 2008 12:32am by PigeonMan
EnthalpyTheBurninator wrote:
on my ret pally, during levelling, if someone asks me to tank, or heal, i switch gear and do it because i know its for the benefit of the group and for my XP and gear.
on my warrior if someone asks me to tank (i'm DW fury) i'll do it. i have gear with some defense rating and stam on it. im not in outlands yet, but i know up till i get there that i can tank well. i'm very comfortable tanking 2-4 mobs at a time too. ive found as fury spec i get rage faster due to berserker rage talent and the tier 2 talent (is it unbriddled wrath?), and i can spam thunderclap and cleave and still have enough left over to sunder 3-4 mobs at a time, and IM DPS SPECCED!
spec doesnt matter. thats why i hate people who are like "im fury so i cant tank". I agree with the OP that when it comes to tanking, an enhancement shammy can sometimes do it (lower to mid levels), a balance or resto druid can do it (mid levels), a ret pally can do it (through outlands), and even though prot and feral specs are the best if someone cares enough, gears for it, or is skilled enough, they will be able to do it and do it well.
on my warrior if someone asks me to tank (i'm DW fury) i'll do it. i have gear with some defense rating and stam on it. im not in outlands yet, but i know up till i get there that i can tank well. i'm very comfortable tanking 2-4 mobs at a time too. ive found as fury spec i get rage faster due to berserker rage talent and the tier 2 talent (is it unbriddled wrath?), and i can spam thunderclap and cleave and still have enough left over to sunder 3-4 mobs at a time, and IM DPS SPECCED!
spec doesnt matter. thats why i hate people who are like "im fury so i cant tank". I agree with the OP that when it comes to tanking, an enhancement shammy can sometimes do it (lower to mid levels), a balance or resto druid can do it (mid levels), a ret pally can do it (through outlands), and even though prot and feral specs are the best if someone cares enough, gears for it, or is skilled enough, they will be able to do it and do it well.
I highlighted the only thing that matters in what you just said in association to your argument. When you get to Outland, please please attempt tanking an instance such as Shattered Halls or even Slave Pens as a Fury Warrior. Then come back and reassess your argument.
I will only attempt Fury tanking instances with low CC needs and low counts on mob groups. I have a good Prot set, and sometimes respec when a good Warrior tank is needed for my Guild. Even with my Prot set, with a Fury spec, it's just stupid for a Fury Warrior to tank most instances in Outland. Might as well let a Rogue tank...since they'll have better avoidance.
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