Scared of 2.4 changes as spriestFollow

If they are going to have resilience affect mana-draining spells, then they need to (logically) allow those spells to critical hit and get bonuses from +damage to balance playing. Given the blatant blow that is to us, they may move in that direction if they intend to keep casters as a playable class for PVP *prays*.
Further, I think it is total ******** that intellect has never scaled towards critical hits the way agility does for those classes that use it. Since resilience is suppose to prevent critical damage, then it is no longer an imbalance for caster to have increased critical chances.

If you cant out damage your opponent, you might try outlasting them, and have faster spell-casting. At least that way, you can keep moving. I been working on doing something like that, and getting mixed results. Stacking spirit and healing affects has worked nicely in some situations, for example.
My advice is to stay with members of your raid, so at least you have less of a chance of being gang-banged. Most people seem to want to protect their priest, or immediately nuke the opponent's, which is something Blizzard has not taken into consideration when modifying our defensive and offensive abilities.

There's a silver lining: Viper Sting and the like won't hit us quite as hard. Considering that I usually run out of mana before I run out of life, I'm not wholly displeased.

Shadow has the lowest DPS of all damage classes past BT (well, at least before Sunwell came out), and is messed up in PvP.

It seems like Shadow Priest is heading downhill, with being in high-end raiding ONLY for its mana-regen, and for leveling.




And for any people wondering, yeah, Shadow Priests do have low damage at waaaaaaaay endgame in comparison to other damage classes. At Kara level, it's not bad at all, in fact, it's above par. And it hardly increases as you progress through the raids, unlike other damage classes.

Its very up in the air at the moment to be honest. Noone's quite sure what sort of boost we're going to get out of haste rating to be honest. Most current theorycraft suggests that about 100 haste rating at the 1400 damage mark or so will start to show real benefits, but until someone can put down some real dps numbers in some good haste gear its a little unclear.

Wow, with all the haste itemization, another stat besides damage has taken a big role in a shadow priest's DPS. Especially considering that while Haste is a loss in mana efficiency in comparison to other stats for most other caster classes, Haste would increase the rate of mana regeneration for a little compensation (if not a lot, I don't know numbers).

I am very curious how this plays out too.

priest is a class capable of healing, but also capable of dps. similar to a druid being able to tank, heal, or outdps a mage with a simple respec.

shadow priests used to pwn, but lately they haven't been awarded the buff trophy.

btw, warrior is a 'tanking class'

Warriors and Priests are debated on being called "hybrids" because some view that priests were designed to heal and CAN do damage, and warriors were designed to tank and CAN do damage.

But Shadow Priests (were) known for doing excellent damage that made it treated as a separate class from Holy and Disc priests (especially because Shadowform restricts heals), and MS Warriors aren't known for tanking prowess in Arena.

Socoral - lowest dps???? Are you speaking of being the healbot, in which case you will be at the bottom of the damage meter, however as a Shadow Priest we use to have the viability to be near the top with proper gear. While I would not say that we are in the top percentile anymore, we should still find ourselves in the upper middle area and offer tons of utility to a group or raid.

I actually switched to Disc/Holy to account for something in my clan as the effectiveness of being shadow just no longer outweighs any other caster except maybe shamans... Mage and Warlock put out way more dps and have AoE or CC options that we do not. Shamans have totems so I consider their utility comparable to ours, but our threat reduction talents seem to give an edge. (I rarely ever get aggro whereas I see shammy's getting aggro like crazy...)

We will never compare to a true dps class like a rogue or geared Fury warrior, but that is not the reason to bring us into a raid. My feeling is that you should play what you like or what helps the most, and adapt your playstyle. Blizzard will figure something out at sometime, and in the meantime, I will begin raiding so that I have gear that outstrips all the Arena gear as I hate the arena gear and think it ruined lots of what was good about WoW. When I see heavily geared Arena players that I can still kill with my priest in standard blues, it tells me that Arena is too easy to get gear, and secondly that it causes many of us to waste time dealing with these morons.

Which instances are primarily single-target kills? Most OL instances have 3-5 targets per pull.



Edited, Apr 1st 2008 5:34pm by sederix

Max theoretical damage of the shadow priest in full Sunwell gear: 1850dps.
Fire mage: 2550dps
Warglaive rogue: Already breaking that amount with NO Sunwell gear.

If you say spriests are fine... :/

Most AoEers find it unwise to AoE much on those pulls without a paladin tank, so it is effectively a single target burndown on most pulls.

as the previous posts have said, when it comes to pally tanks i can get some really good dps off, no one respects the SP dots, but when its a warrior or druid im usually the last person above the tank in dps. i hardly even bother with mindblast, that damn spell is an aggro *****, and that doesnt help my dps much