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Ok, well my pally is only level 50 right now. Been going back and forth between pala and rogue. I was wondering if tankadins can handle the higher end stuff, like MT Kara, BT, Mag terrace (if anyone done it yet), heroics, things like that. I havent heard too much about tankadins doing anything big, every now and then ill see a OT tankadin in kara but thats about it. Can someone clue me in please, thanks in advance.
Paladins have tanked every boss in the game. Some are harder than others, some a Paladin tank isn't preferable, some they are. But they CAN tank everything, but other tanks may be suitable in more situations.
Having said that, Paladins are the best multi-mob tank, and they can help out pleanty in many different raids.
Having said that, Paladins are the best multi-mob tank, and they can help out pleanty in many different raids.
Okay good to hear, thanks jack.
Where ever you go, you'll always wish you had a pally tank for trash at the very least :)
CapJack of the Seven Seas wrote:
Having said that, Paladins are the best multi-mob tank, and they can help out pleanty in many different raids.
So pallytank up to boss, then switch for warrior/druid? Gonna be a loooong time before I see any raid-bosses...
And yes, I know there are exceptions.
Cheers :)
depends on your progression more than anything. if you are talking fresh 70 and doing kara, a pally tank is great. great great great. And most guilds will recognize this and actually want one.
If your guild is doing T6+ content they might be a little more hesitant to let a pally MT things.
But really, capjack is right, pallys can tank everything.
If your guild is doing T6+ content they might be a little more hesitant to let a pally MT things.
But really, capjack is right, pallys can tank everything.
Scholar
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You don't need to switch out pally tanks once you get to bosses, they kick just as much ***. :) I don't need to repeat everything the others said, but I like emphasizing the fact that tankadins, well..kick ***. :)
So pallys tank trash, and when you get to boss you switch to healing gear and help heal and cleanse?
On another note... How to get more threat.
I'm aware that my spelldmg is low, but I have no idea to where I can get upgrades. I'm running Kara as OT, and doing the first few bosses to gear people up for later content. I've been looking at other places to get a new weapon, but everywhere seems out of my league or highly contested drop (caster weapon).
Linky
Anyone got any good ideas?
Cheers :)
On another note... How to get more threat.
I'm aware that my spelldmg is low, but I have no idea to where I can get upgrades. I'm running Kara as OT, and doing the first few bosses to gear people up for later content. I've been looking at other places to get a new weapon, but everywhere seems out of my league or highly contested drop (caster weapon).
Linky
Anyone got any good ideas?
Cheers :)
Scholar
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Pally tanks trash, and when you get to the bosses, pally tanks bosses. :)
367 SD, not low. Personally, I'd take the SD gems you have and replace them with avoidance/stam/def gems instead. I'm pretty sure 367 is more than enough, especially if you're just OT'ing Kara.I MT Kara fine with..220ish SD.
Also, IMO, Crystalforged Sword > Continuum blade for now. Theres a nice mace you can get for being exalted with LC, or any PvP weps that might do better, although I don't know much about PvP items.
367 SD, not low. Personally, I'd take the SD gems you have and replace them with avoidance/stam/def gems instead. I'm pretty sure 367 is more than enough, especially if you're just OT'ing Kara.I MT Kara fine with..220ish SD.
Also, IMO, Crystalforged Sword > Continuum blade for now. Theres a nice mace you can get for being exalted with LC, or any PvP weps that might do better, although I don't know much about PvP items.
Actually, I'd say your spell damage is "too high" at the moment, particularly since your healing is even higher o.O You are still slightly crushable (if I did my math right), so dropping those spell gems for avoidance is the right move, imo. Now that 2,4 is out, try running Magister's Terrace for the Cudgel of Consecration. That'll up your spell damage by 84, making up for anything you'll replace to reach uncrushable and then some.
Base Miss = 05.00 %
Miss = 05.60 %
HS = 30.00 %
Libram = 05.33 %
Dodge = 18.22 %
Parry = 16.49 %
Block = 19.89 %
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( 102.40 )
Total = 100.53 %
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Short = 01.87 %
You're crushable alright.. nearly 2% A little too much Spell Damage, and you swapped for a Badge shield too soon. Until AFTER you reach uncrushable, Wayward Footman is your best friend. Only then do you get the badge shield or start using the Kara shield, etc...
Your shoulders also suck.. Get the Dungeon set from Tempest Keep if need be, or even the GREEN Nexus Guard's Pauldrons.
As for what Paladin tanks can handle... pretty much anything. There's quite a few of us who Main Tank progression boss kills all the way to the end of end-game.. One of the countless abilities of a good Paladin tank is to know when to step aside and let another tank handle something (even if they can take it) though...
Edited, Mar 28th 2008 1:59am by Losie
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One of the countless abilities of a good Paladin tank is to know when to step aside and let another tank handle something (even if they can take it) though...
If only warriors had this quality too... Always believing they are best at every thing... Different classes, different possibilities, usefullness only relative to environment. (If gruul didn't exist warriors would be useless ^^)
Aoe tanking yes... And also tanking fast hitting bosses, don't forget that.
I've seen many times warriors crushed by fast hitting bosses, and nobody ever thinks to tell them to let another class do the job.
slight tangent: im levelin an undead warrior. hes fury specced and only 68. already uncrushable from quest rewards. i knew they had it easier, but damn. rofl
yes, easily uncrushable, for 2 blocks per 5 seconds. (or only 1 block for you with no tank spec). 8 blocks per 10 seconds for a paladin is exactly twice as much blocks, so it would be smart to take it into account for fast hitting bosses.
i am aware of that...
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If only warriors had this quality too... Always believing they are best at every thing... Different classes, different possibilities, usefullness only relative to environment. (If gruul didn't exist warriors would be useless ^^)
Warriors learn their lesson in the new 5man sir =)
I play both a prot pally and a warlock, making this new instance a playground for me.
Prot Pallys rule. I know, you don't hear that much ingame. Said it once, and it's true enough to repeat.
Maybe the reason we don't get the credit we deserve is because the Big Bad Boss isn't falling on top of us at the end. But the mass of dead corpses in our wake is what got that Warrior/Druid his fame.
Maybe the reason we don't get the credit we deserve is because the Big Bad Boss isn't falling on top of us at the end. But the mass of dead corpses in our wake is what got that Warrior/Druid his fame.
KTurner wrote:
If your guild is doing T6+ content they might be a little more hesitant to let a pally MT things.
I've MT'd (on my pally who still has 5 pieces of kara or earlier loot) in Mount Hyjal (2nd boss) and in Black Temple (Bloodboil, Supremus, Akama adds). Prot pallies still have a secure spot, especially in multi-tank fights (Bloodboil, Illidan, Mother Shahraz and a few of the Hyjal fights)
but have you main tanked a heroic hogger raid? thought not.
Markul wrote:
367 SD, not low. Personally, I'd take the SD gems you have and replace them with avoidance/stam/def gems instead. I'm pretty sure 367 is more than enough, especially if you're just OT'ing Kara.I MT Kara fine with..220ish SD.
Sorry, forgot to click off my raid buffs before logging out. I have 299 SD. And yes, I know my avoidance is a tad low, but as I'm running a group to gear up others for Gruul and TK, we're only doing bosses up to Prince. No Netherspite or Nightbane for me yet. I usually heal when only 1 tank is called for as well.
Markul wrote:
Also, IMO, Crystalforged Sword > Continuum blade for now. Theres a nice mace you can get for being exalted with LC, or any PvP weps that might do better, although I don't know much about PvP items.
I seem to lack threat in Kara, witch is why I try to stack as much spelldamage as I can. I know I'm crushable, but our two healers are very good. I've never heard them complain I'm hard to keep alive. Otoh, I'm not MT, so I don't get hit as much.
On a side note, anyone knows any good tactics to heroic Shadow Lab? That is one instance I really have problems with... Or is it just very hard?
Cheers :)
If you aren't tanking bosses your healer will never have any reason to complain about you being crushed.. it just won't happen. (With an addendum for very special mobs that you dont encounter very often)
Heroic SL eh? Hell. Pure hell. Just like SL is pure hell before you're geared enough for heroic. As you gear up further, your group is punished more for it. Expect to spend half the time running everywhere. It's not impossible, but I hope you have a tight group, a Priest, and a bubble macro :D
Bubble Macro:
Hit it once to bubble and break effects, hit it again to dispell your bubble instantly, retake aggro, and get to business.
Heroic SL eh? Hell. Pure hell. Just like SL is pure hell before you're geared enough for heroic. As you gear up further, your group is punished more for it. Expect to spend half the time running everywhere. It's not impossible, but I hope you have a tight group, a Priest, and a bubble macro :D
Bubble Macro:
#showtooltip Divine Shield #show Divine Shield /cancelaura Divine Shield /cast Divine Shield
Hit it once to bubble and break effects, hit it again to dispell your bubble instantly, retake aggro, and get to business.
Losie wrote:
A little too much Spell Damage, and you swapped for a Badge shield too soon.
Why is that? It's better than the blue I had before (can't remember name), and the one from Kara is not much of an uprade. So how is it too soon?
Losie wrote:
Your shoulders also suck.. Get the Dungeon set from Tempest Keep if need be, or even the GREEN Nexus Guard's Pauldrons.
I know they suck, but it's the best drop I've had. :/
Losie wrote:
One of the countless abilities of a good Paladin tank is to know when to step aside and let another tank handle something (even if they can take it) though...
I usually do...
Cheers :)
Edited, Mar 29th 2008 8:52am by forwald
Well.. the shield came too soon from a boss tanking perspective because the shield immediatly prior to that one provides MORE towards being uncrushable. The shield really only gets swapped out after you have enough other gear to maintain that.
But honestly, you're fine with that shield. It is an excellent piece, just need to make up those lost stats from upgrading it with another piece of gear.
But honestly, you're fine with that shield. It is an excellent piece, just need to make up those lost stats from upgrading it with another piece of gear.
not bad gear. i would replace the trinkets only getting 44 sd out of them unless clicking non stop. wich if your tanking probaly gonna be better to click the ones that help your avoidance more than spell damage but looking at your spell damage you shouldnt be lacking threat.
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