2.4 changes to Intellect/Spirit/Mana RegenFollow

This works great with all the Paladin HoTs and DoTs. woot!!!!

EDIT - To clarify my unjust sarcasm - my understanding is that Spirit-based mana regen is still based on the 5 second rule (i.e. not doing anything for 5 seconds to regen mana). This change does not appear to affect MP5 - which is mana regen while you are casting. I can't comment on other specs, but you will never see a Holy Pally that goes more than 1-2 seconds without casting something. If you can wait more than 1-2 seconds, then you are not in a tough fight that requires mana regen.

Edited, Mar 26th 2008 3:01pm by YJMark

Ah yes, intelligent response with little knowledge of why I am geared this way.

Sorry but right now I gear myself for solo play. I am not doing raids, PvP, dungeons or any of that stuff.

With my setup I can go one mob to the next for constant xp, and pretty much no down time. I have no problem soloing 3-4 mobs the same level as me at the same time if needed.

Sorry if this offends you, but it is working well for my play style right now. When I am ready for other things, I will regear at that time.




Edited, Mar 26th 2008 3:15pm by IronhideBismarck

Spirit still Does NOTHING for us. Its plan and simple. Spirit is down there with STR for holy pallies.

Most other healing classes get a bonus to spirit 'while' casting, Paladins do not.

Thanks for the info. That makes more sense.

Now, I am on the protection end of things.

Talents

I just want to comment and ask for some advice - specifically the real slow comment.

The way I work my fights is Seal of Crusader, Judge it, SoR. Every 8 seconds Judge SoR and recast SoR.

In terms of damage, I am in the 120-140 range base damage (1.7 second weapon - 57.9 DPS). My holy damage is roughly 80-95% of my base damage so that is hitting around 90-120 extra. Burst damage of 400-500 every eight seconds and then Reckoning comes in on average once a fight.

Fighting a mob the same level as myself this way takes about 30 seconds. Say 10-15 seconds between pulls so I can roughly kill around 60+ mobs in an hour (including resting time).

Now the question....for quicker solo play, what would you recommend? Or is there a link to a solo play guide for PLDs that I haven't seen yet?

If you are going to be protection, you should be pulling multiple melee mobs, which would increase your kills/hour. The only time you wouldn't do that is if you need to pull a caster. So worst case scenario you end up where you are right now, best case scenario you could kill 8-12 mobs in 2-3 minutes per pull, only limited by your gear, and possible other sources of damage such as magic abilities.

start with your build. no need for holy as prot pally unless gonna be ot/oh. personaly i would shoot for something like http://www.worldofwarcraft.com/info/classes/paladin/talents.html?0000000000000000000005005133500001525215510520500000000000000000



burst damage as prot?? round up 5-6 mobs and kill them in same time you took to kill that single if you wanna single fight go ret. dont even worry about your weapons dps get spell damage since most your damage is gonna be holy i would hope. also rotate wis and light as you see fit for the hp and mana. aoe for more even damage on mobs and keep holy shield up at all times if you can. some peeps use lesser rank of aoe i just use max. also keep blessing of sant on your self. other that what you have said i cant say much else no real spell damage listed or armory to check gear. on big pulls i normaly have rf on bless sant and ret aura. try to only get melee. seal wis jump on horse round up 5-9 mobs depending on what you can handle lvl and what not. pop holy shield aoe judge wis seal wis aoe holy shield rotation if want instead of second wis. seal light so you have both wis and light going then when first mob dies normaly light is about up, so i judge it on next mob(or i'll go to next mob if first is almost dead and light is almost worn off since more to seal than to judge). seal wis then make sure holy shield is up i like to keep aoes ticking true uses more mana but little faster kills. alot of times i just run with wis sealed and judged. to aoe and holy shield non-stop. then at end normaly have enough mana to fully heal then i just drink for about 10-15 to fully med up and be off to kill again.

there are probaly better guides than that but oh well. never you mind the grammer or spelling cause i'm bad at both.



wall of text crits for 5hp : )

Actually, it's not most. It's half. AFAIK, shamans get nothing either.

to the OP: imagine taking 200 spirit and switching to 200 int = 3000 mana in/out of combat. thats probably double what you have now. though, you'd need bigger drinks for that one.


im also gonna play devils advocate for a second. remember starting a new alt when you'd kill a wolf and as you are walking to the next wolf your health and mana are back to full, with no need to eat or drink. this works like this til about lvl 15 when we start to focus on the dmg stats. now imagine if we'd kept our spirit stat rolling as we lvl'd up. yeah it would have to be taken from some other stat but you can usually sacrifice portions of some to build up another without much gimping.

keep in mind, time is time. whether you spend it fighting multimobs, many single mobs, bandaging, drinking, walking, riding, or pickin herbs.

soloing as a Ret pally i usually have to decide whether i'll just seal up and autoattck or if im gonna unload. take the new Throne quests: i can kill a demon in about 3 secs at a cost of 25% of my mana. 4 like that and im drinking for the next 30 secs. drinking is boring and costs $(yay spores!).

lastly, i dont recommend all that spirit. if i saw a pally with those kind of stats in my group, i'd hearth out right quick. obviously mp5 is more beneficial for mana, but i dont think the OP is all that far-fetched for soloing.

The thing is that like all stats its about balance Tommy. In order to gain any amount of Spirit to be useful (especially with the five second rule) you are gimping something else, whether it be dps for Ret or your ability to heal as Holy.

When you view it as gain vs lost it will always end up as a huge net loss. In terms of leveling a stack of water is only a couple silver and is much more effective, even throwing BoW up instead of BoM is more workable. For end game, specifically healing, its a none issue since the 5 second rule and FOL dont mix.

Priests and druids both have talents in their respective trees that either give bonuses to healing from Spirit or an increase on spirit. Not to mention 30% of regen while in combat. So it pays.

Holy Paladins focus on Intellect. 10% increase from Divine Intellect, 35% spell damage/healing from intellect. Not to mention Illumination and the mana back from spell crit from Intellect.

In terms of straight grinding/leveling it would never play, may as well argue the efficiency of +str for hunters. So it is a lot more than the 5 second rule that is making it unviable to the extreme for Paladins.

People have leveled 1-70 in greys, I have seen melee with +int gear, mages with agility, casters with spirit and beyond. Saying "I leveled fine with spirit 1-68" holds as much weight as a wet fart.

The thing is that you were completely unaware of the five second rule, which was a big "ding ding ding". Secondly you are left standing on an argument "if that most basic game mechanic, that I wasn't even aware existed until someone pointed it out to me, didnt exist it might just work, amirite" which is about as solid as a wet fart.


Have I played a pally stacking spirit, no. I haven't played a Melee Mage either, that doesn't mean that I am incapable of grasping the flaws in it. I mean my 3+ years of WoW, and having leveled a pally as ret, prot, holy and finally raiding with one well in the BT/Hyjal has to have given me a solid enough grasp to understand something as basic as why you wouldn't want to stack Spirit on a Pally.

I pointed out earlier that it wasn't really gimping much though.

So I had less stamina. Guess what I was able to heal more often because my mana regenned faster. Not hard to toss a heal on yourself after a fight and regen without having to sit down and drink. So as for gimping stamina it was a wash

So I had less strength. Guess what, I was able to pump out tons of holy damage by using SotC and spam judge SoR and Hammer of Wrath. So less strength was a wash as well. (other than minus some block value)

Armor and Intellect stayed the same and who cares about agility.

So from a stat standpoint, there wasn't much gimping going on.




Edited, Apr 1st 2008 1:41pm by IronhideBismarck