Help with my holy specFollow

pve only or pve/pvp?

common pve/pvp build: http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVxhMgzheotVMphMc

only thing i dislike with your build is imp LoH. never was a fan of that talent.

Also just because you have imp RF doesnt mean you have to turn it on. its a nice mitigation buff in PvP though where threat isnt an issue.

Edited, Mar 25th 2008 1:53pm by KTurner

I was looking again at the instance/raid healing spec posted in the sticky, and while it overall makes sense, I wonder why 3 points are put into Righteous Fury rather than into Toughness or Anticipation. It seems to me that the 6% damage reduction from RF would be offset by the 50% increase in threat from healing, while points in toughness or anticipation would reduce damage without increased threat (admittedly only melee damage though).

In addition, that spec has 1 pt in Imp BoW and 1 point in Aura Mastery but no points in Unyielding Faith. It's not clear to me which of these is more situational, but wouldn't it be more advantageous to avoid fear a little more often than to have a minor increase in aura range or mana regen?

Edit: Thanks KTurner for your reply. I've been a bit uncertain about the improved LoH myself, but that is also in the stickied spec. What would you suggest those points be spent?

Edited, Mar 25th 2008 5:27pm by mplantinga

The improved concentration aura reduces silence/interrupt effect length by 30%. What sort of effects are included in interrupt effects? Does this include stun and fear?

Improved RF is not very useful for PvE healing.

Aura Mastery is nice because then you can heal from max distance, and tank will still have aura benefit. This is essential if you ask me.

It seems like your problem is that you gain aggro. A couple of things you can do:

1) Pop bubble when you get aggro. The mobs will leave you alone.
2) HoJ if it is a single mob attacking you
3) Run to tank
4) Heal yourself. The mob shouldn't kill you very fast since you are a paladin (unless it's an instance boss - then refer to #1).

Also, you need to better understand why you are pulling aggro. I use BoW, and rarely pull aggro. I never have Salvation on myself.

1) Do you have a threat meter? This can help you judge how close you are to pulling aggro
2) Do you give the tank a few seconds to get aggro before sending out a heal. Your heals give AoE threat. If your tank hasn't used an AoE move, then you will pull aggro on some mob.
3) Did you shower? Sometimes mobs can smell last night's dinner on your clothes. They love that.

I hope that helps. :)

Improved Concentration Aura isn't really needed either. You shouldn't be getting pounded on in PvE. Those few times you do, you have plenty of tools to deal with it.

cant say ive ever used salv on me unless of course we had more than 2 pallies. BoW>BoK>Salv.

And the build i linked was a pve/pvp build which is all i really know about. a PvE build might be modified some as most of the stuff in prot isnt that useful past BoK.

Edited, Mar 25th 2008 2:52pm by KTurner

Sorry, double post.

Edited, Mar 25th 2008 6:07pm by mplantinga

Thanks again for all the replies.

If we assume that everything in Prot beyond BoK is not that useful for PVE, would this be a decent PVE build?

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=sVxurguGeotx0t

I agree; missed that when I was putting that together. What holy talents can I most afford to lose to get the 2pts in Guardian's Favor?

That seems reasonable; if you're not getting hit, you don't need more armor. On the other hand, if I'm not getting hit, I probably don't need the resistance talents in the holy tree either. This is complicated :)

Edit: although, there is that solo grinding for alchemy mats to consider. And the fact that I'm not 70 yet, so there is still some soloing going on.

Edited, Mar 25th 2008 6:47pm by mplantinga

Thanks for the reply. I'll give that a try, and see how it works out for me.

My main is a 65 holy pally. I spec'd like this.

Its geared mostly at solo questing because I got alot of the stuff I need from instance already. I gave up Imp BoW because I have alot of mana/5 already and I also gave up Light's Grace because I'm usually on my *** alot when I am in instances enough that overhealing a bit doesnt hurt my pool all that much.

I like the build above because I am a potent healer in instance and PVP and can down things quickly enough that I dont take much of a beating. Sure I get a couple 0.o when people check my talents, but when we go inside instance they realize that healing well is not just about your talents but your skill as well. I guess its sorta hybrid shockadin.

Edited, Apr 1st 2008 3:12pm by Ronzonio