2.4 live today, muti changesFollow

Not sure i follow you on this, isn't Muti a burst dmg build? Doesn't a higher top end damage OH increase your Muti. damage? maybe i phrased this incorrectly.


Edited, Mar 27th 2008 11:52am by Thesleepyrogue

Edited, Mar 27th 2008 11:52am by Thesleepyrogue

There's no such thing as a burst damage build in reality. Unless you're only going to be allowed to attack for 10 seconds out of every 2 minutes, damage is damage, and it's damage over the course of the entire battle that matters.

Edit: So basically what I'm saying is, you can't neglect your regular DPS in favor of a slight spike to your burst damage, unless mathematically the boost is superior. That's what I meant to say and didn't get around to.

Edited, Mar 27th 2008 2:02pm by bismarckmajivo

See my second answer in this post.

Basically, there are no rotations in PvP, and yes, Mut is a burst build, but it's a burst build because of how the ability functions, not because you gear for it (outside of Renataki's or BLB).


Still have wrong information. Average damage is what gives you higher crits. A high top end in general will give you higher crits, but also lower crits.

In PvP, it's generally good to have a tight damage range so you can't get boned by RNG.


Nope.

Still bad.

Edit: Actually, in going back and looking at it, you have no idea what talents to take for PvP.

So let me educate you.

For Mut PvP, these talents are REQUIRED:

Mutilate
Malice
Fleet Footed
Imp KS
Quick Recovery
Vile Poisons
Puncturing Wounds
Cold Blood
Seal Fate
Master Poisoner (at least 1/2)
Vigor
Find Weakness
Leathality

A typical Mut PvP build that are used today in arena looks like this. A Mut/combat build for arena (typically used in 5s, not so much in 2s or 3s) looks like this.


Edited, Mar 27th 2008 2:11pm by Theophany

hey theo and guys,

first off, thanks for all the great info from you guys, ie nooble, demea, theo, moogoose, etc (too long to list really). I used the combat mut spec from demea's post up to 2.4.

Now with puncturing wounds was wondering if my tweaking of the build was okay? I mostly do just battlegrounds for my pvp fix and run instances otherwise. I haven't done arena and probably won't for a while.

anyhoo, here's the build:

wouldn't mind the flames/comments/etc. can respec to the proper talents if needed.

here's my armory link:

thanks in advance!

Edited, Mar 27th 2008 6:17pm by xlpanda

Edited, Mar 27th 2008 6:17pm by xlpanda

Edited, Mar 27th 2008 6:19pm by xlpanda

I'm leveling my first rogue as combat swords (level 61 right now) and I've never used anything else. Is mutilate a viable PVE leveling build at 61? Even if combat swords is slightly better, I'm keen to try something else for a little while for some variety. I am trying to decide between mutilate and combat fists.

It is perfectly viable, and arguably superior to combat swords for leveling. Mutilate is all about burst damage, and regular mobs are usually dead before your initial burst ends.

Edited, Mar 27th 2008 8:57pm by iamnotatree

"Optimal"? That's such a cold word. It's not like people are going to abandon a spec they prefer because it isn't "optimal". If you want to wade through trash one at a time with as little down-time as possible, then I'd go with Mutilate; you can drop them before they get a hit on you, so no down-time needed at all. Plus, you won't die of boredom doing it.

As opposed to click-click-click-click-click-(move mouse slightly)-click

Have fun being defaulted.

While I may occasionally post relevant information (I've done so at least twice in this thread), you haven't--ever.


I'm not a clicker.

And clickers are bad.

2.3 and the changes to xp/quest and xp/level put an end to all grinding as a viable way to level a character. Muti is just fine for killing quest mobs in order to complete the quests and everything but boring.

The only concern is finding a decent pair of daggers, especially now that people hardly ever go into the old instances. I made the switch to Muti at 48, when I had both the WSG dagger available to me, and got a good deal on a Widowmaker off the AH. The 58 WSG dagger lasted about 6 quests in Outland until I got the green set from the first quests there. They're just fine until the first blues come in at around level 65.

Bored of waiting for a group to do Underbog last night I went into AB to pass time. Despite being only level 64, using daggers, and a pure PvE spec, I managed to keep up with sword rogues in terms of killing blows and damage done.

The beauty of stealth is being able to pick your fights, and I think until game mechanics like resilience come into play, skill + good judgment > talent spec.

So if you're level 61 now and want to try something else, NOW would be the time.

Really? You specced into Mut at 48?

That's interesting, because you need to be 50 to even get Mut.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0ecoeMsikVo

Theo - Let me be a little more specific. I'm looking for a build that would be sufficient enough to raid and still do well on DPS (which I think it should) and still be viable enough for pvp...enough that I'm not going to be costing my ****** 1500's 5v5 anything major. Again - main focus here is raiding with enough pvp to be decent. Still a shi#@ build?