forget mana efficiencyFollow

Why use silencing shot for raid spec...how many times have you used it? Probably almost none, so its pretty much worthless in raids. So I typically spend the point in killer instinct.

My spec is pretty much pure raid spec, not pvp spec. And why not ce and ca, would you rather me grab cb. Also, have you ever heard of filler points? Entrapment and survivalist are there to get me to surefooted. Even that one point in in ca is filler to get into mm. You dont need silencing shot for raids, I generally put that one point in killer instinct.

I was previously in a guild that pretty much just ran kara, and I was the primary CC, so I put point into traps. I used to use trap mastery until we got to the point where I didnt need to double or chain trap nearly as much.

For a while I was respeccing 2-3 times per week when I was doing more arenas, so I play around a little bit with speccing to see how different things work. I have moved on from my old guild and will probably go back to BM spec, though it has been a while.

Want to bust my balls a little more? Go ahead and send me what you think is the "best" mm/sv build. I dont mind the criticism. I havent been asked to be the class leader of more than 1 ssc/tk+ guild because I know how to auto shot :P. I will say I dont know much of theory crafting or macro building. Learned everything by trial and error pretty much, which is why I come here for that.

I simply meant that I dont pvp with my current spec, just raid with it. I also mentioned that I was used to being the main CC, so the MM/SV build was optimum for what I was doing at the time.

Edited, Mar 31st 2008 10:29am by uzemaki

I think MM/surv to be the best raid untility spec. BM/MM would be the most DPS. Right?

There is 1 thing hunters have that can be considered utility, and thats their buffs.
Wich with EW being larger then TSA and affecting the whole raid and FI being stackable and scaling as well as affecting casters makes MM the least worthwhile spec as far as utility goes.

It's been a while since i replied, but as to the OP's talents, you didn't need to go nearly that far into MM. If you are primary CC and want the talents, get them all and get the rest of the good stuff in SV. You went deep enough for Surefooted, so fill up Survival Instincts, Killer Instincts, and Lightning Reflexes for personal dps and to improve EW. Then on to Resourcefulness and Thrill of the Hunt (depending on your needs). Otherwise just go BM or go PvP with MM.

Learn from the cookie-cutters and enjoy the improved dps AND utility.

Edited, Apr 2nd 2008 11:51pm by DukyFrodo

No offense, but 900 dps is low.
I did ~900-950 dps in TK/SSC as SV and SV is supposed to be weaker dps then Marks.
As BM I do ~1100-1200 dps and i know i need to improve that because its still just weak.

Checked your armory, and i think i caught you in your pvp gear. because i sure hope that you have more then ~1650 ap in pve gear ;)

[quote=Aethien
No offense, but 900 dps is low.
I did ~900-950 dps in TK/SSC as SV and SV is supposed to be weaker dps then Marks.
As BM I do ~1100-1200 dps and i know i need to improve that because its still just weak.

Checked your armory, and i think i caught you in your pvp gear. because i sure hope that you have more then ~1650 ap in pve gear ;)[/quote]

Dont remember what my ap was in my gear as BM, as marks I was ove 2100 with hawk and TSA. I think i'm around ~1800 as BM. I just got into this guild that has been doing SSC/TK and now BT, and havent had any of the gear come my way yet. So i'm still in my kara/crafted gear for the most part.

Imagine my surprise when after the first couple kara bosses it showed that horrible sub 700 dps. Other folks in the raid thought his meter was off, not sure. But they did think my dps was unusually low. Only thing I can think of is my shot rotation. Though I thought using the macros should alleviate that problem. I'll keep looking for something.

As BM with Sunfury, you won't be able to manage a 1:1.5 with the usual 200 latency (i'm not sure if you could even with lower than 200). You'll need lots of haste to get the bow down to the speed that's ideal, but a 1:1 with Sunfury should still give a lot more than 700 dps.

Were you able to run Recount or SWStats and see if you were clipping any autos?
I also can't put Cheeky's on this computer, so if someone can run you through there with the different rotations and see what the ideal numbers are, that could give you an idea of what you should be getting, that way we can troubleshoot the problem.

"Competing with seven healers and the tank for the bottom spot on damage meters is a hard job, but someone has to do it..."

3% raidwide crit, enough said.

Ret pallys are arguably the highest dps class in the game. Protadins don't really have the points to spare on it and do you really want your holy pallys doing it?

Edit: I should have pointed out that the above is true in much the same way as survival hunters, 1/raid.

I also apparently missed uze's first reply



The couple of minutes part is the pertinent bit. I gave you a point of reference that in full purple I could keep up the most mana efficient rotation for less than two minutes.

Edited, Apr 6th 2008 3:01pm by Ieatrocks