I see alot of folks talking about 1:1 shot rotations are best because of mana efficiency and what not, and how 3:2 rotation can be better but at a cost of some mana.
My questions is if I care nothing about my mana consumption, and I use every shot on every cooldown, what rotation or macro is gonna give me MAX DPS period, forget mana efficiency, forget 10 minute boss fights, and the like. How do I get the biggest bang for my buck in a 1-2 minute balls to the wall encounter?
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Fully epic'd and specced BM (Imp mark, not efficiency) I could go about 110 seconds with hawk and no pots doing a 1:1. ;)
There is a reason we talk about mana efficiency.
Add in blue juice and you could probably do a 3:2 for a minute and a half to two minutes with Kara gear.
Add in a Pally with JoW, a shadow priest, and a Shammy with mana tide up and you could obviously go quite a bit longer.
Using every shot every time it is on cooldown, unless you're doing it right, is a good way to be a newb, something the nature and tone of your post also imply.
Frankly, nobody cares about max DPS except on minutes long boss fights.
Edited, Mar 25th 2008 10:31am by Ieatrocks
There is a reason we talk about mana efficiency.
Add in blue juice and you could probably do a 3:2 for a minute and a half to two minutes with Kara gear.
Add in a Pally with JoW, a shadow priest, and a Shammy with mana tide up and you could obviously go quite a bit longer.
Using every shot every time it is on cooldown, unless you're doing it right, is a good way to be a newb, something the nature and tone of your post also imply.
Frankly, nobody cares about max DPS except on minutes long boss fights.
Edited, Mar 25th 2008 10:31am by Ieatrocks
Max dps differes greatly with what speed you shoot your autoshots.
Which is why I put the parameter of saying to hell with mana efficiency. Just wanted to see what is the way to get the max ACHIEVABLE dps, not the greatest sustained dps, even if only for a couple minutes.
For the sake of somebody's math I have the sunfury bow, but now that 2.4 is out I will be getting http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34892.
And Ieatrocks is truly fitting name, given WoW is truly a massive game with many encounters and expierences. Not everything is based on 10 minute raid boss fights and your mindless BM steady/auto rotation. The nature and tone of your reply gives insight to your inability to grasp the simplest of questions, which was pretty straight forward, and instead your "newbness" makes it more compicated than it needs to be(we call this "Nuking it" in my part of the world).
For the sake of somebody's math I have the sunfury bow, but now that 2.4 is out I will be getting http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34892.
And Ieatrocks is truly fitting name, given WoW is truly a massive game with many encounters and expierences. Not everything is based on 10 minute raid boss fights and your mindless BM steady/auto rotation. The nature and tone of your reply gives insight to your inability to grasp the simplest of questions, which was pretty straight forward, and instead your "newbness" makes it more compicated than it needs to be(we call this "Nuking it" in my part of the world).
Too many trolls lately... Get the fuck out of my forum.
Great Jebus's ghost, you hunters are saltier than the rogues.
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Edited, Mar 25th 2008 1:01pm by AynLoD
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Edited, Mar 25th 2008 1:01pm by AynLoD
We're very friendly people, the last week however we seem to get a bit flooded with morons.
We're still friendly to people who can type without insults ;)
We're still friendly to people who can type without insults ;)
I'm not... But then again, I've been away for three weeks.
Aethien wrote:
We're still friendly to people who can type without insults ;)
No we're not, shut up you macro-monkey.
North! Give me a hand here!
I don't give any hands unless I have previously ripped them from the shoulder sockets of retarded posters, and subsequently used them to beat said retards to death. After that you can have it, since the previous owner won't really have much use for it.
Heh. he got rated down out of his Scholar title, and he still hasn't even given us all the information he needs to tell him.
But yeah... 3:2 is going to be best for BM hunters
the 1:1.5 will be the best for MM and SV hunters.
I really thought that it was kinda apparent from all the other threads.
But yeah... 3:2 is going to be best for BM hunters
the 1:1.5 will be the best for MM and SV hunters.
I really thought that it was kinda apparent from all the other threads.
ProjectMidnight wrote:
But yeah... 3:2 is going to be best for BM hunters
the 1:1.5 will be the best for MM and SV hunters.
the 1:1.5 will be the best for MM and SV hunters.
It doesnt have anything to do with spec its all about the ranged attack speed.
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I don't give any hands unless I have previously ripped them from the shoulder sockets of retarded posters, and subsequently used them to beat said retards to death. After that you can have it, since the previous owner won't really have much use for it.
Bah.. I'd think you'd owe me after all we've been through. All the humiliation. All the hate-mongering and name-calling. I look back at ages past and see a time of beautiful darkness. Where hate strikes down the new and insecure posters. Where anger makes the weak and faulty cry. Apprentice and master ruling through a reign of terror and destruction and constipation (...).
Ever since the old day you've taught me well. Well enough to be a master myself. However, I always stood by you due to the raging havoc you cause. So that I could be always where the real action is.
Tell me, are those days nothing to you anymore, master? If not, you will help me smite the useless and unworthy. If so, I will henceforth walk my own paths.
Edited, Mar 25th 2008 11:49pm by Utarius
I basically assume everyone who's not me is an idiot.
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We're very friendly people, the last week however we seem to get a bit flooded with morons.
hi :DD u cna hlep me wit talent biuld plz???
What's the 1:1 and 3:2 rotations all about? I'm not into the raid jargon and don't know what they mean.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
20K Mazra!! I missed this somehow. Congrats. 1:1 and 3:2 refer to the ratio of steady shots to auto shots. Just in case you were serious. 
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Aethien wrote:
ProjectMidnight wrote:
But yeah... 3:2 is going to be best for BM hunters
the 1:1.5 will be the best for MM and SV hunters.
the 1:1.5 will be the best for MM and SV hunters.
It doesnt have anything to do with spec its all about the ranged attack speed.
Umm... well, the attack speed of the sunfury is going to be different between BM and MM... Unless of course the person is an idiot and didn't get Serpent's Swiftness
Edited, Mar 25th 2008 10:13pm by ProjectMidnight
Here is my armory for those interest.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azshara&n=Uzemaki.
Maybe I'll put it in my sig one of these days.
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Azshara&n=Uzemaki.
Maybe I'll put it in my sig one of these days.
Sir Xsarus wrote:
20K Mazra!! I missed this somehow. Congrats. 1:1 and 3:2 refer to the ratio of steady shots to auto shots. Just in case you were serious.
Thanks!
So 1:3 means one Steady Shot every three Auto Shots? And 1:1 would be Auto Shot, Steady Shot, Auto Shot, Steady Shot, etc.? But you wouldn't be replacing Auto Shot with Steady Shot, right? You'd throw the Steady Shot inbetween the Auto Shot "cooldown"?
Also, on the 1:3 rotation, would you use Steady Shot after or "together" with the third Auto Shot?
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
*woops*
Edited, Mar 29th 2008 12:18am by DukyFrodo
Edited, Mar 29th 2008 12:18am by DukyFrodo
Looks like my reply was eaten...
It said something about OP's talents being the issue before shot rotation is considered. But to answer your question, Low latency, "MM" spec, and Sunfury leads you to the 1:1.5 rotation, NOT 3:2 (which should be labeled 2:3... ammirite?)
It said something about OP's talents being the issue before shot rotation is considered. But to answer your question, Low latency, "MM" spec, and Sunfury leads you to the 1:1.5 rotation, NOT 3:2 (which should be labeled 2:3... ammirite?)
Spec's not that bad... for MM.
I'd get rid of CE, but that's only one point. I'd also not spec so deep in the SV tree... the +3% crit might be good, but there are things that are better.
I'd get rid of CE, but that's only one point. I'd also not spec so deep in the SV tree... the +3% crit might be good, but there are things that are better.
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Well y'all are jumping down his throat for now reason.
Not everyone is going after the 8-12min raid boss fights.
Some people want to do the most they can in arena or bg's where the fights dont last as long. Or you die quickly and come back with full mana anyways.
Not everyone is going after the 8-12min raid boss fights.
Some people want to do the most they can in arena or bg's where the fights dont last as long. Or you die quickly and come back with full mana anyways.
That spec is terrible... CE & CA both suck (imo), there's no Silencing shot (therefore, why MM?), 2 Pt's in trap mastery lend towards PvE but then 1 pt in Entrapment and 0 in Clever Traps plus the 5 pts in Survivalist are completely unneeded for PvE... Focus on MM or SV, then delve into the other one for what you are lacking (crit bonuses or surefooted), and focus MORE (or completely if you want to) on PvE or PvP, because that is a VERY gimped spec for both now (compared to what it could have been).
I'm not one for flaming, but look at the spec before the rotation. a fixed spec with a 1:1 rotation (even as MM/SV) would improve your dps AND utility more than a 1:1.5 or 2:3.
I'm not one for flaming, but look at the spec before the rotation. a fixed spec with a 1:1 rotation (even as MM/SV) would improve your dps AND utility more than a 1:1.5 or 2:3.
Mazra wrote:
Sir Xsarus wrote:
20K Mazra!! I missed this somehow. Congrats. 1:1 and 3:2 refer to the ratio of steady shots to auto shots. Just in case you were serious.
Thanks!
So 1:3 means one Steady Shot every three Auto Shots? And 1:1 would be Auto Shot, Steady Shot, Auto Shot, Steady Shot, etc.? But you wouldn't be replacing Auto Shot with Steady Shot, right? You'd throw the Steady Shot inbetween the Auto Shot "cooldown"?
Also, on the 1:3 rotation, would you use Steady Shot after or "together" with the third Auto Shot?
the common shotrotations are:
1:1 auto > steady and repeat.
3:2 auto > steady > auto > steady > steady and repeat.
1.5:1 auto > steady > auto > steady > arcane/multi and repeat.
Yeah, got the ratios mixed up. Tired mind is tired.
Thanks for the explanation.
Thanks for the explanation.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
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