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#1 Mar 24 2008 at 2:44 AM Rating: Default
I have post my thread here few days ago then I finaly made my mind up going for orc lock, but in game when I level my lock up to level 9 I ask one of the level 70 warlock player about which profession should I choose if I want to pvp in the end game?, but what he reply to me says 'lock are the worst don't go lock, roll a rogue' so I ask why is that? he says 'you can't go wrong with rogue', the thing is I have saw his leet gear then I just start wondering if he think lock are the worst why get leet gear?, at last I just want to ask every one that play his/her lock to 70 how you guys feel?, lock really can not compete with the charm of rogue's pvp ability?
#2 Mar 24 2008 at 2:53 AM Rating: Excellent
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The way I see it, one of two things happened:

1) You approached him with the same English you've displayed here (not that it's bad - I'm guessing you're a foreigner like myself) and he figured you for a "noob" and told you to go roll a Rogue because he believes the Rogue class is a "noob" class.

2) He's been owned so many times by a Rogue in PvP that he finds them overpowered and told you to roll one to save you the humiliation of being raped by one in PvP.

In either case, he's a nub and you should play whatever you want to play. Rogues do have an easy time against Warlocks, but they get slaughtered by a lot of other classes.

As for profession, I recommend mining and disenchanting. Disenchant the green stuff you get from quest rewards and drops, that you can't use or sell on auction. Sell the dust and shards you get and the bars you get from mining and smelting ore. Once you reach level 70, switch mining to tailoring and grind it up to 300+ so you can make your Shadow's Embrace which will last you well into raiding.
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#3 Mar 24 2008 at 9:42 AM Rating: Good
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One corollary; Rogues do not get owned by 'a lot' of other classes, they have a tough time with Warriors and Hunters, and in neither case do they get owned as hard as Warlocks are by Rogues AND Warriors. A Rogue against a Warrior has options, not least amongst which is escape; against most classes (Hunters the exception) Rogues generally have the option of, if not winning, certainly not losing. Warlocks agsinst Rogues (and to a lesser extent Warriors), currently, have no readily apparent options that do not involve dying or being exceedingly lucky. If you can show me a video of your own PvP that demonstrates otherwise Ill be happy to review it.

Warlocks are far from a terrible class, but do be prepared to simply go make a sandwich if a Rogue or Warrior decides they dont like you.

~sins
#4 Mar 24 2008 at 11:49 AM Rating: Decent
Lock with Enough HP, Good Resilience and SL/SL Build can Stand up against a Rogue long enough for someone else to knock something out.

Rogues rely almost entirely on Crits for their Burst damage, and have numerous ways around Fear. Those are their strengths. So negate their Crits (Resilience) and don't even bother with Fear.

Rogue is not a n00b class neccesarily, just as Warlock isn't. Both are reguarded as "cheap" by many other classes but in the end if you just look at the strengths and weaknesses you can take care of a Rogue.

Don't PVP with 8khp and you'll be fine XD

The real culprit here is Warriors... friggin bastards. And that's what Ice Mages are for.
#5 Mar 24 2008 at 1:02 PM Rating: Decent
FifthOrder wrote:
I just want to ask every one that play his/her lock to 70 how you guys feel?, lock really can not compete with the charm of rogue's pvp ability?

How I feel is that the game should be fun for you. Playing styles between the two classes differ. As a matter of fact, play styles between ALL classes differ. A rogue is more an in-your-face (or rather, behind your back from ambush) style of play, while a warlock is a visible ranged killer with a pet.

I agree with Mazra that the player you talked to misled you deliberately. Since you are still new to the game, I suggest that you try both classes and others as well. After a while you will find yourself playing one class more than the others. That's the class that's probably best suited to your personal style.

As far as professions go, you can't really go wrong with Mazra's suggestion. There are a great many threads in the trade skills forum on making gold through disenchanting. The most seminal one actually leads to Castillo's money-making guide. Even though the guide was written before The Burning Crusade came out, it's still good and has a lot of good advise in it.

Edited, Mar 24th 2008 2:02pm by ohmikeghod
#6 Mar 24 2008 at 2:02 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a few friends that are pretty bad *** locks, though they may not be top of the line over all they definitely have learned their class inside out and impress me (not that it's saying much) but all of them have told me not to bother with lock if I want to completely demolish people, and I can guarantee it's because rogue is the hardest class for each of them to fight. Locks played well can take out rogues, it's not gonna be an OMGROFLMAOWTFZPWNZOR win but it'll be a win nonetheless

Edit: I agree with what's already been said, play what you want to play and think you'll have fun with...but also don't be like me and have so many alts you can't afford to fly anymore >.>

Edited, Mar 24th 2008 6:03pm by Tokijinn
#7 Mar 24 2008 at 3:21 PM Rating: Decent
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Sinstralis wrote:
One corollary; Rogues do not get owned by 'a lot' of other classes, they have a tough time with Warriors and Hunters, and in neither case do they get owned as hard as Warlocks are by Rogues AND Warriors.


Put a Rogue with gear equal to my Druid in a 1v1 with me and I'll show you humiliation in a way you have never dreamt of. Pounce, Mangle, Rake and Rip, shift to Bear, Lacerate x5, Mangle, Bash, /dance. Make sure to apply Faerie Fire so they blow Cloak of Shadows early on.

I've killed more Rogues by bleeding them dry than I care to think about. With 16k armor, 13k health and -5% crit in my currently pathetic set of PvP gear, I can just sit it out while Rip and Lacerate goes to town, plus Pounce which is pretty nasty on top of it.

Of course, against a ShS Rogue in S3 I'm nothing but an annoying obstacle standing between him and the soft flesh of the healers. But I still make one hell of an obstacle.

Rogues aren't as powerful as some would like to think.
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#8 Mar 24 2008 at 8:48 PM Rating: Decent
Mazra wrote:
Rogues aren't as powerful as some would like to think.


They certainly arn't. Where many other classes at least have the OPTION to increase defensive abilities versus a Lock, Rogues are stuck with a few general abilities and that's it.

Their main Defense is their Offense, which happens to be against a single target. They are helplessly defenseless against numbers (even if they get a Sap -- lolol -- off they cannot take down an equally geared person in time to make it 2 1v1 situations).

You're looking at a class that, when encountered by 2 opponents, has the option to try to take out 1 before they die (not possible if both players are experienced) or run which doesn't work so well in organized PVP.

I am NOT Rogue sympathetic, it's just funny to me how people complain about a class that is still lacking in the high-end PVP bracket, is EXTREMELY gear dependant in PVE, and is far from a button-mashing class in general.

As a Lock I've come to find that an experienced and geared Rogue is not nearly as troublesome as a similarly experienced and geared Warrior. Don't even get me started on a good Druid (which actually IS an overpowered class in organized PVP.)
#9 Mar 25 2008 at 9:40 AM Rating: Default
With my warlock... i have the hardest time with rogues and warriors... warriors due to their extreme amount of hp... rogue cause they just lock you down... But if your good enough to be able to get a void out and sack him for the shield. (best in the game) then that rogue just ran into a wall... they now have to break the shield (which can be used when your ganged on and then cast mass fear and run if you can)
My play style agianst rogues was to have my void out ready for that rogue. Get sapped pop the shield. usually get hit and can move agian. Fear rogue let him waste his stealth. Do a AoE knocking him out of stealth. Then instant fear agian into dotting him. and wanding him to death at that point. Doesnt always work. But ive killed a lot of twinked rogues that way. Also have been killed a lot that way.
#10 Mar 25 2008 at 10:35 AM Rating: Decent
My answer to the OP. Play whatever class apeals to you. Dont let your choice of class be influenced by people that arent paying for your game. If someone is actually telling you PLAY THIS CLASS, OR I WONT PAY FOR YOUR GAME. Well sucks to be you.

Play the class that appeals to you, play the race that appeals to you, each and every class has its plusses and drawbacks. Every Class QQ's about at least one other class.

Is any one class vs ALL the other classes singularly OP? No.
Is any ond class vs ALL the other classes pure suck? No.

It all comes down to: Do you have fun with your class? Do you understand its limitations, and its strengths?

Play the Class that most appeals to you, Its prolly the class you will have the perserverance to see to end game.

After all, noone plays a toon they dont like long, even if everyone else says they are OP or UP.

You simply will not excell at a toon that doesnt appeal to you.

Dont be a go with peer pressure type, Be a "I'm gonna play the class of MY choice type, and then learn to play it to the best of your abilities.
#11 Mar 25 2008 at 2:27 PM Rating: Default
Locks own period,, you might find a few that argue they dont but i have much trouble with rogues but good locks know what to do especially ones with good res, i think rogues r good for some solid kills but in the end good locks can do way more damage

~agree to disagree

Edited, Mar 25th 2008 6:39pm by bowchicka
#12 Mar 29 2008 at 2:58 PM Rating: Default
As a warlock, i have never really had much difficulty with any class except the occassional rogue.

It's incredibly annoying when your ganged by two rogue's and stunlocked to death, but that's a risk that comes with playing any caster class i guess.

I usually keep my vw or succy out in PvP,an extra OH SHI- button never hurt, if Howl of Terror isn't on cooldown, or deathcoil, ill use either of them just to get them away from me,amp curse if it's up CoE.
Dot it and run far enough away to get a fear up.
#13 Mar 29 2008 at 7:30 PM Rating: Decent
Ya that changes higher up for you.

At 66 Rogues get Cloak of Shadows, it's really nasty against Locks (any casters really, but against Locks its essentially 5 seconds of free damage.)

When Warriors start to PVP they generally go Arms, too, which gives them Death Wish (even harder to handle than CoS) since a good PVP Warrior will have 15-17khp, you're looking at 30 Seconds with no Fear -- and they will pop that the moment they see you, too. Mix in Pummel and Berzerker Rage and you have a REALLY nasty DPS who cannot be stopped by a Lock and who has way too much HP to just "tick away."

Still every class is managable in some way or another. Warriors Hunters and Rogues are just a weak spot for us.
#14 Mar 30 2008 at 10:32 PM Rating: Decent
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After recent improvements to my pvp set and now I don't really have a problem with rogues, just be sure to get Siphon Life>CoA>Corruption>(Immolate(after fear)) then just drain him as the warlock will spin to face the target as long as its still draining, shadowbolt if you get the nightfall proc, deathcoil/shadowbolt then drain somemore.
#15 Mar 31 2008 at 1:56 AM Rating: Decent
>lock really can not compete with the charm of rogue's pvp ability?
My main is rogue, but I've L69 lock also. In my opinion lock is much
more relaxed to play than rogue. As others have said rogue just happens
to be one of the very few classes locks have problems with.

Lock is just fine, just continue with that. Coming from rogue I
especially like our directionless ranged spells - they really
help when BG lags. It is very frustrating to be a pure melee
class when all you get is "out of range" or are "facing the wrong
way" :-/

Sinari
#16 Mar 31 2008 at 10:14 AM Rating: Good
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lol... on my rogue, a lock was a guaranteed kill, but the thing locks don't see is the rogue getting destroyed afterwards because once they're visible, all dps classes will focus fire them to death.
#17 Mar 31 2008 at 11:27 AM Rating: Decent
ktangent wrote:
lol... on my rogue, a lock was a guaranteed kill, but the thing locks don't see is the rogue getting destroyed afterwards because once they're visible, all dps classes will focus fire them to death.

... or our DoTs continuing, and killing you when you decide to go get some munchies.
#18 Mar 31 2008 at 11:41 AM Rating: Decent
Another thing about warlocks is that you
can continue to be helpful in BG's and
against instance bosses even after death for a short
period, due to some of the longer duration curses.

#19 Apr 01 2008 at 4:37 AM Rating: Good
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... or our DoTs continuing, and killing you when you decide to go get some munchies.


Oh so true. A hunter tried to run by me in WSG last night and I dotted him up, but good. He got away, but I still had him targeted and watched him slowly die. ;-)

The one thing I *hate* is in world PvP (doing haala last night), when you die, you have to resummon your pet. :-( Blew through 5 shards, then I told myself I wasn't gonna do that anymore, summoned an imp and didn't die for the rest of the hour I was there.
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