Would Incinerate be a worthwhile spell to cast for an affliction specced warlock? It does about the same damage as a shadowbolt, if immolate is on, yet has a smaller co-efficient and does not benefit from ISB. To me it looks like its rather useless, except maybe to a destruction lock.
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It's useless, totally useless as a affliction, demo, or sl/sl spec lock. It is pretty good tho if your destro though, since it does a decent amount of damage and has a higher damage per mana ratio than SB if your in the right gear
Thought so, thanks.
It's really a shame that Incinerate is so useless for most Warlocks. It's one of the cooler spell animations in the game, in my opinion.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
ya, but if all you care about is looks, go re-roll a lock on an RP realm :P
Jenovaomega wrote:
ya, but if all you care about is looks, go re-roll a lock on an RP realm :P
It's a video game, Jenova. Video comes from the word vidé, which means 'to see'. If we didn't care about the looks, video games would still be 20-pixel nightmares a la Pacman and Dig Dug.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
with games like wow, you have the choice of going for perfect looks or perfect skill, neither can be obtained together (unless you skin your wow).
graphics are just a selling point, the story/abilties/diversities between the main variable in the game and complexities of the said variables are what makes a game fun. if all you're after is looks, look out your window, get a camera, look/make art.
graphics are just a selling point, the story/abilties/diversities between the main variable in the game and complexities of the said variables are what makes a game fun. if all you're after is looks, look out your window, get a camera, look/make art.
Well to me that is not so. Would you rather play an mmorpg game with the graphics of Gaunlet or an mmorpg game with the graphics of a high class console game?
Nah, I'm a graphics *****. If I didn't care about the graphics, I wouldn't play the game. I like to be stunned everytime I see something new.
For instance, the first time I entered the Sanctuary of Xi'tah in FFXI. *^&#ing BEAUTIFUL zone. And Heaven's Tower is great too.
WoW related? I love Darnassus and, especially, the Temple of Elune.
For instance, the first time I entered the Sanctuary of Xi'tah in FFXI. *^&#ing BEAUTIFUL zone. And Heaven's Tower is great too.
WoW related? I love Darnassus and, especially, the Temple of Elune.
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Well to me that is not so. Would you rather play an mmorpg game with the graphics of Gaunlet or an mmorpg game with the graphics of a high class console game?
Jenova wrote:
graphics are just a selling point,
A better graphic does not mean a better spell. Yes, graphics and an over all UI are essential to selling a game. However, if you're casting an inferior spell because it looks better, that is an entirely different case.
For the FFXI example, Holy and Hexastrike are two of the most graphically elaborate and best looking attacks in the game. Would you really roll a WHM and exclusively use those attacks because they looked the best?
personnaly the part I care about most is the skill side; the technical knowledge of how the game works on all aspecs, regardless of game. I only care about the looks to the point where it affects my ability of playing the game, the actual looks itself pay almost no interest (yeah there's a few moments when i'm not doing much where i'll actually appreciate the looks.. but 99% of the time i'm all about the technical side).
one of the main reasons why companies make their games all 'bright and shiny' is because it attracts the 'lesser' people who can't comprehend the complexities of the game and only wish to play 'cos 'ohhh, my character looks so pretty in his gear, even if it's the worst gear combination possible'. now yes there's the arguement that "it's their money, they can play how they want", but what shouldn't be allowed is for them to think they're on-par to the people who decide to put alot of effort into the game.
harsh yes, but it's true. it's like comparing a casual tennis player with the ones who play in wimboldon... nobody would ever compare them because they can see the clearely defined differences, sadly you'd be surprised how many people in wow can't tell the difference between the 'ZOMG it's shiny" players and the hardcore ones.
so to go back to my original comment. if you want to use incinerate over SB just 'cos of the looks. go re-roll on a RP realm.
one of the main reasons why companies make their games all 'bright and shiny' is because it attracts the 'lesser' people who can't comprehend the complexities of the game and only wish to play 'cos 'ohhh, my character looks so pretty in his gear, even if it's the worst gear combination possible'. now yes there's the arguement that "it's their money, they can play how they want", but what shouldn't be allowed is for them to think they're on-par to the people who decide to put alot of effort into the game.
harsh yes, but it's true. it's like comparing a casual tennis player with the ones who play in wimboldon... nobody would ever compare them because they can see the clearely defined differences, sadly you'd be surprised how many people in wow can't tell the difference between the 'ZOMG it's shiny" players and the hardcore ones.
so to go back to my original comment. if you want to use incinerate over SB just 'cos of the looks. go re-roll on a RP realm.
When soloing I tend to play with Incinerate and Immolate more. I can afford it, I'm on my own and if I die, that's my business.
In groups and PvP I never use it. And it's a damn shame, because it's a cool spell animation.
Telling me to reroll on a roleplaying realm simply because I tend to use Incinerate over Shadow Bolt is pretty ignorant. Do you always play through a FPS using the most efficient weapon, or do you, like me, pull out the "cool" weapon once in a while, even though it's not efficient?
Games are about having fun, not crunching math and figuring out what's the most efficient way to go. Maybe in raids and maybe if you find crunching math fun. I pay $15 a month just like you, and unless I'm putting your gaming experience at risk, don't tell me what to do, and most importantly, don't tell me what not to do.
Kthx.
In groups and PvP I never use it. And it's a damn shame, because it's a cool spell animation.
Telling me to reroll on a roleplaying realm simply because I tend to use Incinerate over Shadow Bolt is pretty ignorant. Do you always play through a FPS using the most efficient weapon, or do you, like me, pull out the "cool" weapon once in a while, even though it's not efficient?
Games are about having fun, not crunching math and figuring out what's the most efficient way to go. Maybe in raids and maybe if you find crunching math fun. I pay $15 a month just like you, and unless I'm putting your gaming experience at risk, don't tell me what to do, and most importantly, don't tell me what not to do.
Kthx.
Please "talk up" if your comprehension white-shifts. I will use simple-happy language-words to help you understand.
Don't mind Jen, he's an elitist jerk and he will always be rude towards those who don't share his opinion and divine wisdom.
yes, in FPS (i play alot of CS) I use the weapons I'm best with. so USP/GLOCK with M4/AK 90% of the time. if i'm up against a tough team i switch to the scout (i my personnal opinion, the best sniper weapon due to the speed you can move and accuracy at the moment of slowing down rather than having to wait a split second longer like with the awp). obviously if i'm on a gun game server i'll be using all weapons, and i'm good with them all too.. but i know what i love and i'll stick to them
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pompa gets me :) elitism (perfectionism) ftw
Edited, Mar 24th 2008 8:07am by Jenovaomega
POST EDIT
pompa gets me :) elitism (perfectionism) ftw
Edited, Mar 24th 2008 8:07am by Jenovaomega
Dont you love it when up against another lock and you get spell locked on your incinerate ,kek ...
pvp is a different matter :P that's where you use fire spells (incinerate/soulfire) to force them to spell-lock so they can't get your shadow school
I love Jen.
Why?
Cos he's a pompous pr*ck. And EVERY forum needs one.
(He's also very useful if you really do have a question re gear / spell rotation etc - though you never get a straight answer. It's usually a lot of maths followed by "So it depends" LOL)
Why?
Cos he's a pompous pr*ck. And EVERY forum needs one.
(He's also very useful if you really do have a question re gear / spell rotation etc - though you never get a straight answer. It's usually a lot of maths followed by "So it depends" LOL)
that's what maths is, an massive over simplification of the real world scenario, leading to an answer that's correct in 'certain scenarios' ^^ lol
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only time I have seen Incinerate worth anything is on Destro-locks. Because the specs are all lined up to cause as much damage as possible the incinerate can be a monster hit. at lvl 46 when i critical strike with incinerate i usually see numbers 610+. Nice to have in your pocket at a battleground.
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only time I have seen Incinerate worth anything is on Destro-locks. Because the specs are all lined up to cause as much damage as possible the incinerate can be a monster hit. at lvl 46 when i critical strike with incinerate i usually see numbers 610+. Nice to have in your pocket at a battleground.
You're either very confused, very stupid, or a very bad liar. Or, verily, is it all 3?
you have incinerate at level 46? private server? lol
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Thanks for the warm welcome to the forum. I had my spells confused but now i know for future reference to not talk. I'll just go back to reading.
Jade's thinkin Soul Fire.
Speaking of which, someone uses Soul Fire in PVP? Even to intentionally draw out a Spell Lock/Counterspell that's a waste, at least spam Searing Pain.
In 2.4 you can reduce the cast time on Incinerate marginally (I think 10%), making it a better situational option however the specs and gearset for SBolt and Incinerate are very different.
Theres a mark somewhere (it used to be lower but now I don't know where it is) in which the +Spell you get starts to work better just forgetting Incinerate because of how the additional damage works with +Spell.
Essentially when you get enough +Spell Shadowbolt becomes both more efficient and better DPS when you spec for it.
Speaking of which, someone uses Soul Fire in PVP? Even to intentionally draw out a Spell Lock/Counterspell that's a waste, at least spam Searing Pain.
In 2.4 you can reduce the cast time on Incinerate marginally (I think 10%), making it a better situational option however the specs and gearset for SBolt and Incinerate are very different.
Theres a mark somewhere (it used to be lower but now I don't know where it is) in which the +Spell you get starts to work better just forgetting Incinerate because of how the additional damage works with +Spell.
Essentially when you get enough +Spell Shadowbolt becomes both more efficient and better DPS when you spec for it.
Germ, um no, Incinerate wasnt even good for a good destro lock before patch.
In fact, being a fire based destruction lock, really was kinda a horrible idea. Before patch.
I actually played with all the specs of a lock alot. Really alot.
The most misbased perception I have ever seen is that Destro is a FIRE based spec. EPIC FAIL.
Even stacking +fire dmg items, a destro/fire lock, can never out dps a SHADOW based lock. Even the end talent in the destruction tree is BASED ON SHADOW DMG.
That is quite simply why you see a buff this patch to fire in destro. The game developers, in their infinite game testing (and your ignorant if you dont think Blizzard spends as many hours with a test team constantly playing in realms) has seen a DEFICIT in fire based destro locks.
Note. the KEY work DESTRO.
If your afflic, you need to stick with shadow spells..
In my opinion no matter what tree you pick, stacking shadow dmg>crit>stam = the most you cant get outta your lock, both pvp/pve.
on a side note, Sac/AFFLIC seems to be the absolute best BG spec Iv'e found, tho I die alot, I do top the dmg charts usually by 100k over anyone else. Its actually pretty good against warriors too, if you watch their buff (I do this using Quartz) and time your instant hot and death coil appropriatley.
So long answer short, no incinerate is garbage, even with the new patch, for an Affliction lock.
Edit: sorry about the misspellings, stupid keyboard inserts randomg letters, has done so scince I got this new comp.
Edited, Mar 25th 2008 2:52pm by orickruns
In fact, being a fire based destruction lock, really was kinda a horrible idea. Before patch.
I actually played with all the specs of a lock alot. Really alot.
The most misbased perception I have ever seen is that Destro is a FIRE based spec. EPIC FAIL.
Even stacking +fire dmg items, a destro/fire lock, can never out dps a SHADOW based lock. Even the end talent in the destruction tree is BASED ON SHADOW DMG.
That is quite simply why you see a buff this patch to fire in destro. The game developers, in their infinite game testing (and your ignorant if you dont think Blizzard spends as many hours with a test team constantly playing in realms) has seen a DEFICIT in fire based destro locks.
Note. the KEY work DESTRO.
If your afflic, you need to stick with shadow spells..
In my opinion no matter what tree you pick, stacking shadow dmg>crit>stam = the most you cant get outta your lock, both pvp/pve.
on a side note, Sac/AFFLIC seems to be the absolute best BG spec Iv'e found, tho I die alot, I do top the dmg charts usually by 100k over anyone else. Its actually pretty good against warriors too, if you watch their buff (I do this using Quartz) and time your instant hot and death coil appropriatley.
So long answer short, no incinerate is garbage, even with the new patch, for an Affliction lock.
Edit: sorry about the misspellings, stupid keyboard inserts randomg letters, has done so scince I got this new comp.
Edited, Mar 25th 2008 2:52pm by orickruns
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