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#1 Mar 22 2008 at 10:07 PM Rating: Good
Got a question for you all. Which spec do you prefer for pve leveling sub spec. I'm just tired of doing the same ol combat way. So do you prefer the big ol ambush, or do you garrote and rupture or how bout cheapshot/backstab? Could you list the spec builds as well?
#2REDACTED, Posted: Mar 22 2008 at 10:29 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Leveling daggers is ******* stupid.
#3 Mar 22 2008 at 10:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Maybe hemo? but still it'll be the same feeling and the damage output will be lower... I was combat all the leveling time...
#4 Mar 22 2008 at 11:14 PM Rating: Good
Sorry, maybe i should have explained it better. I've raised several rogues, they've all been combat swords/fists. Its quite boring. And dagger leveling isn't all that bad actually. It allows you to play a real rogue and sneak around. Besides, theres nothing like halfing the mobs life before the game begins.
#5 Mar 23 2008 at 1:07 AM Rating: Good
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At level 62, I'm currently a 41/12/0 and enjoying the hell out of it. Fleet Footed has me move around quick, regardless of whether I'm stealthed or not, and Quick Recovery has bandages tick for so much more that downtime is extremely reduced. Getting a 4-5 point rupture and a pretty much full stack of talented poison on a mob before it even gets to move brings them down just as fast as before when I was just spamming SS with my swords.

http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=f0eboEGoizVoMuVo

This is where I'm at now. Remaining points will go into Imp SnD, another one in Endurance, and of course finally Dual Wield Spec

Nice to do my quests with and great dps in the 5-mans I'm running. This is how I want to PvE my rogue.

#6 Mar 23 2008 at 1:43 PM Rating: Good
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I personally wouldn't use daggers to level until you have enough talent points to get opportunity and seal fate (so that would be around 45 ish). It's just slow and sucky before that unless you are using sinister strike as your primary attack - in which case, you should be using whatever weapon you can find that has the highest average damage range (in your main hand). Generally, this is going to be a mace or a sword.

Daggers really don't come into their own until you get a bit higher. I leveled 60-70 as mute, and it was a blast (and went very fast). However, it's pretty crappy before you get your stuns (CS and KS are both late 20s-early 30s IIRC). Honestly, it's pretty crappy without seal fate in general.

There is a damn good reason that pretty much every combat dagger rogue would have a sword in their bags to farm with (at 60 when you saw a lot of combat dagger rogues). It was great for raid damage when you could stay behind the target. However, it was poor for farming/grinding (which is pretty much what you do when you quest/level) because it wasn't energy efficient to stay behind your target.

If you want to level with daggers, by all means... go for it. However, you aren't going to find an efficient low level dagger build for solo PvE leveling/grinding. It just doesn't exist. Using gouge, to wait for a backstab that will only give you 1 CP isn't efficient. Even after you get your stuns, it's lacking. Once you get 30 points in assassination + 5 for opportunity, it's actually not that bad (the old PvP SF dagger builds were pretty good for farming/grinding). Once you get mutilate it gets better still.

The problem is compounded by the fact that there aren't as many good dagger choices as there are sword/mace choices while leveling. There are nice sword quest rewards from both SM and RFD... then when you can do a princess run, you can get a thrash blade that will take you up into the upper 50s (where you can grab an outland green). Before that, there are swords (and a dagger) from dead mines, a nice mace from WC, etc...

The bottom line: It takes 2 talent points to make a viable/efficient sword/mace leveling build (imp SS 2/2). It takes far more points to make daggers efficient for solo content. If you had a warrior/pally/druid leveling buddy or a leveling group of friends, my answer might be different... but for solo work... you'll level significantly slower if you use backstab/daggers.
#7 Mar 25 2008 at 7:57 AM Rating: Decent
I leveled all the way from 10-70 as Shs Hemo, Once you get Hemo it all gets fun and fast.

Hemo - 35 Energy ( @lv30 )
SS - 40~45 Energy

Besides, leveling on a pvp server I had so many other stealthers out and about ganking. So the MoD and Camo makes it so much easier gettin past people.

Had around 1100 AP at 60 in Outlands greens, If you have the right weapons You can kill anything your level.

But if You plan on ganking people, I'd wait till around 35~43 to start.
Cheat Death helps oh so much.

Edited, Mar 25th 2008 11:59am by Mendeln
#8 Mar 25 2008 at 8:44 AM Rating: Decent
Sub non-daggers. i.e. slow MH weapon with hemo and shadowstep. I found it to be tons of fun. I liked it a lot better than sub daggers which I tried for a short time. Sub daggers is nifty for the 'surprise buttsecks!' element, but sub nondaggers didn't require nearly as much thought. :P Also, much more effective if you get an add. If things don't go right with sub-daggers, your efficiency goes way down. Bad thing for PvE.
#9 Mar 25 2008 at 9:11 AM Rating: Good
digitalcraft, Goblin in Disguise wrote:
'surprise buttsecks!'



AHHHH!!!! SURPRISE BUTTSECKS!!!!!

To the OP:

You can also try this hybrid build (this one for swords) that can be found from Demea's thread, to transition yourself to another build. Just a suggestion. I haven't tried this build yet, but it looks interesting.

Edited, Mar 25th 2008 1:19pm by xNocturnalSunx
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