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********* Complete crap.

For over a year AV was set up to be nearly unwinnable by horde except in a 5+ hour grind because the alliance base is behind a series of easily defended choke points and the horde base is impossible to defend south of the iceblood graveyard. I could sit and draw a map of how Horde can win every single AV, but from it's inception until 2.3 it was inviable as a method of obtaining honor because it meant a huge time commitment. Alliance holds that advantage for well over a year. Horde gets the advantage by changing the rules to allow for a win by grind-fest and Alliance has Blizzard working to compensate them within 3 months.

Blessing of Salvation was Alliance only until TBC and is the single greatest raid utility spell. The Horde answer was a totem with a 30 yard range that only works on your group.

The "Presence" racials for Draenai are very powerful, especially early on when a 1% increase in spell/melee hit is easily the best way to increase your DPS/TPS.

Stables is actually closer to the League of Arathor base than Farm is to the Den.

I cant bring up a dozen little advantages that Alliance has over Horde. You're really going to claim favoritism over a seal? Come'on...

A lot of DPSers on Brutallus do more than 2k DPS.

For every point you can bring up where the Alliance has an advantage over the Horde I can come up with ten more the other way around. We could go back and forth all day; bottom line, a lot of it doesn't really tend to matter. What does tend to matter, what people tend to notice, what people tend to complain about, is that Horde have vastly superior racial abilities and racial spells across the board, and that trend continued through TBC when, since you brought it up, while draenei got some nice racials, the blood elves' were even better by comparison.

The only thing Alliance has ever really had to hold over the Horde is Fear Ward, but, well... that's old news. Oh, there was also that one time where we could Aimed Shot from Shadowmeld... that was totally gamebreaking, right? Hell of a lot better than back when Orcs' stun-resist racial was 25%... yeah...

Edited, Apr 4th 2008 4:03pm by Gaudion

If you want to talk about faction-only seals, Seal of Vengeance is MILES ahead of any other seal for pally tanking, yet BE pallies still manage to tank everything in the game.

I seriously think with 2.4 changes where BE pallies joined the Silver Hand the seals should have been evened out.

Give alliance pallies the "seal of sacrifice" as Gaudion called it, and give horde pallies "seal of atonement" to equal seal of vengeance.

Wait, is that meant to imply that the racial is useless because you don't HAVE to use it to get the job done? Or that it is somehow even less useful because of that? Because that's just plain silly.

Then what is the point of having different factions, or for that matter different classes? Why not just homogenize the entire game?

Anyone who has ever tried to balance a system, be it for MMO's, other video games, or just table top RPGs knows that unless everything has exactly the same abilities or everything is designed to counter specific other abilities there will always be characters or abilities that are better than others for one reason or another. Either they play better in the long run, like warlock or rogue, or they start of extremely powerfully, like fighters in almost any table top, or something simple like Ken's throw putting you farther toward the corner than Ryu's (or is that reversed?).

Either way, game balance is only perfect without any form a diversity. Otherwise there will always be a "best" that is par or better in the most situations, even if they're at the top of none. Likewise, or perhaps even because of this, many abilities in any multi-player game are going to be situationally useful to give your character a bit of a niche as well as affording them a bit of an advantage in those situations to level the playing field.

We can ***** and moan about all of the bosses where Stoneform is less useful than WotF or vice-versa, but what is the point? All of the in game racials are useful to one degree or another in a variety of situations. If you're NOT using your racials it is 100% because you are a bad player, not because you've got bad racials.

You completely missed the point, as it is neither of those ...

Let's see if I can put this comprehensibly: yes, I was helping point out you don't "have" to have a racial/faction specific spell or ability to do things, but never did I imply that that fact made it useless. I think too often people like to use racials or faction Seals as a crutch. "Oh waah, Alliance has SoV, that makes them better tanks." "Oh boo hoo, Horde has racial X, Y, and Z so I can't beat them at PvP."

Not pointing at anyone here, but we've all seen those kinds of remarks before. Yes Alliance have a better tanking Seal, and Horde have a better lawlDPS Seal, but that doesn't mean you can't be good at the one simply because you don't have access to its particular Seal.

Blood Elves tank fine without SoV. Does that mean SoV is useless? No, but neither do I feel it's quite as all'a'round godly as some people think.

I agree 100%. My point was that (example) just because Tauren can stun me for a few seconds doesn't mean that if they get in melee with me I will lose. Racials are quite noticeable yes, but there's still plenty of room to overcome them with, as you hinted at, strategy and skill.

Don't give them the chance to retaliate, just stick with the "grass is greener" which is true, and leave it at that.

wonder if horde would cry if WotF had a chance to FAIL. like EA does.

horde has barrens chat, alliance has every BG chat. +1 alliance.

Sadly ... I have to give ya that one Jack. But honestly, I'd take Barrens chat over Alliance BG chat any day.

I had a Horde Shaman, so yea, I have experienced Barrens chat :)