Subject mainly says it all, except that I am new to the shaman and I am wanting to go resto when I get to 70. I know it's probably not the greatest gear out there, but I'm mainly talking about for healing 5 mans/heroics and Kara and stuff like that. I have searched the Shaman forums here and haven't really found an answer to my question. I don't say s2 because if I did arena's I'd probably go for s3 gear instead.
So, I'm not here for flames and unconstructive criticism, so please leave that elsewhere. If anyone has an opinion on the question at hand that would be great! (Is S1 gear viable for early PvE?) <-- For resto shaman.
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S1 gear viable for early PvE?Follow
Some pieces, certainly. My shaman is wearing the S1 chest and the pvp necklace and bracers right now. You definitely won't want to do all pvp gear for healing PVE instances as there is not much mp5 on the pvp gear which is an important stat for resto shaman. But if by "early" PVE you mean normal level 70 instances, you will have good enough healing gear from instances anyways (one would hope).
SO yeah, a few pieces = perfectly fine. All S1 though would probably give you troubles on longer fights.
SO yeah, a few pieces = perfectly fine. All S1 though would probably give you troubles on longer fights.
I know not all pieces are viable for PvE as I hate to see warriors in full s1 gear trying to be fury for kara and heroics. Pieces here and there are fine, not the full set. If I were to sub anything today on my warrior with PvP gear it would probably be the helm or chest piece or something to that effect.
I have heard about balancing MP5 and understand there isn't alot on the s1 gear in that department. By early PvE yes I mean 5 mans/heroics/kara. Bascially it's just a stepping stone to better gear.
Thanks for your response. Oh, Geekstomper isn't my Shaman, its my Warrior btw. (refering to the armory link in my sig)
I have heard about balancing MP5 and understand there isn't alot on the s1 gear in that department. By early PvE yes I mean 5 mans/heroics/kara. Bascially it's just a stepping stone to better gear.
Thanks for your response. Oh, Geekstomper isn't my Shaman, its my Warrior btw. (refering to the armory link in my sig)
PigeonMan wrote:
Bascially it's just a stepping stone to better gear.
That is exactly what it is. The reason a lot of people start heroics and Kara in S1 gear is because it's easy to get. Unlike your drops, you're guaranteed to get it; all you have to do is put forth the time and effort. However, as soon as you can get your hands on Kara drops, you will definitely want to start replacing your pieces ASAP.
you may want all the S1 for fights that require high amounts of stam anyhow so its never a bad idea collecting pvp gear.
Possible but not optimal, depending upon what you're trying to do. They're great for filling in holes in your gear, as pointed out, but you do sacrifice some longevity from it.
I found a necro post of mine:
I found a necro post of mine:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=8;mid=1196701941185571746#m119671488429599953 wrote:
Arena epics work as great fillers because they have such a great iLevel compared to how easy it is to get them. However, not all of the stats are what you're looking for in PvE--which is why I'm iffy about using the whole set.
Gladiator's Wartide (123 iLevel)
3517 armor
301 healing
19 mana/5
219 Stamina
106 Intellect
100 Spell Crit
125 Resiliance
Cyclone Raiment (120 iLevel):
3435 armor
374 healing
39 mana/5
169 Stamina
171 Intellect
Gems balance out. So you're sacrificing +73 healing, +20 m/5, and +65 INT in exchange for +50 STA, +100 spell crit, +125 resiliance, and a lil armor. Raiders have a health minimum so STA isn't all that bad, but you can have TOO much if you're sacrificing other stats for it. Resiliance and armor are next to useless for a raiding healer, and spell crit is usually just overheals.
The problem I see all the time with PvP geared healers is longevity. A 2 minute arena match is a very far cry from a 10-15 minute boss encounter. PvE resto shamans rate +m/5, +healing (for downranking), and INT (to a lesser extent) very high to increase longevity, and the PvP gear just doesn't have much.
PvP heals need to be quick and powerful, PvE heals need to be slow and steady; this is reflected in the gear. Thus, switching gear roles is possible but not optimal.
Gladiator's Wartide (123 iLevel)
3517 armor
301 healing
19 mana/5
219 Stamina
106 Intellect
100 Spell Crit
125 Resiliance
Cyclone Raiment (120 iLevel):
3435 armor
374 healing
39 mana/5
169 Stamina
171 Intellect
Gems balance out. So you're sacrificing +73 healing, +20 m/5, and +65 INT in exchange for +50 STA, +100 spell crit, +125 resiliance, and a lil armor. Raiders have a health minimum so STA isn't all that bad, but you can have TOO much if you're sacrificing other stats for it. Resiliance and armor are next to useless for a raiding healer, and spell crit is usually just overheals.
The problem I see all the time with PvP geared healers is longevity. A 2 minute arena match is a very far cry from a 10-15 minute boss encounter. PvE resto shamans rate +m/5, +healing (for downranking), and INT (to a lesser extent) very high to increase longevity, and the PvP gear just doesn't have much.
PvP heals need to be quick and powerful, PvE heals need to be slow and steady; this is reflected in the gear. Thus, switching gear roles is possible but not optimal.
because of all the shaman mana buffs naked before any stats shaman have 100mana regen per 5 seconds so we have it easier then some other classes.
Now I am not saying s1 is the best you can do, but it is easy to get, and the stam gear will be nice for future when you need it for certain encounters.
So if you do go with your s1 gear (which again I suggest anyway) so what if you have to chug a pot more often then other healers in your group.
Now I am not saying s1 is the best you can do, but it is easy to get, and the stam gear will be nice for future when you need it for certain encounters.
So if you do go with your s1 gear (which again I suggest anyway) so what if you have to chug a pot more often then other healers in your group.
jmfmb wrote:
So if you do go with your s1 gear (which again I suggest anyway) so what if you have to chug a pot more often then other healers in your group.
Because it's a couple gold a pot and sometimes that won't even save you.
Shaman don't really need to ***** stamina. There are certain encounters later in the game where you want a Warlock tank, or even a Mage or a Hunter... How many call for a Shaman tank? Zero. So while high stamina is nice, it's not really at all necessary to shoot for beyond the base amount required to raid. All you're ever going to be taking is AoE or splash damage except for very, very select few mechanic-oriented fights like Gurtogg (which 99% of people won't even see), and you should be able to get more than enough stamina to cover it on your PvE epics and through gems.
S1 is a gear patch past heroics. Just leave it at that. There is no point in complicating the issue by trying to justify it with this or with that.
On the thing about stam, it's always a nice stat to have. There are many fights where AoE damage really can hurt, and in some cases even kill if you don't have enough HP. an example would be Hex lord Malacrass in za. His shadow bolt volley thingy hits for 450 every half a second for 10 seconds, which is about 8-9k damage. It certainly does hurt enough to kill. That said, it's definitely not worth sacrificing ANY stat for it. In fact, might as wlel ignore this post - i'm just bored.
You NEED stamina in the later raids.
Some Raids will have bosses that does huge damage that cant be/difficult to avoide.
Must push for at least 7.5k unbuffed, aim for 9k if possible. With 9k, its easier to survive some bad luck situations and avoid wipes.
Of coz, stamina comes after the other critical stats like +healing and mp5, but please dont ignore it.
As Ele DPS, I have selectively enchanted some part of my gear with stamina rather than SP coz I find myself already doing enough DPS, but need survivability.
For honour points gained thru BGs, I've used them to buy the vindicator items 1st. (Rather than S1 set) IMO, these are better than anything your can get even in Kara or Heroics.
Edited, Mar 23rd 2008 9:11pm by waihwang
Some Raids will have bosses that does huge damage that cant be/difficult to avoide.
Must push for at least 7.5k unbuffed, aim for 9k if possible. With 9k, its easier to survive some bad luck situations and avoid wipes.
Of coz, stamina comes after the other critical stats like +healing and mp5, but please dont ignore it.
As Ele DPS, I have selectively enchanted some part of my gear with stamina rather than SP coz I find myself already doing enough DPS, but need survivability.
For honour points gained thru BGs, I've used them to buy the vindicator items 1st. (Rather than S1 set) IMO, these are better than anything your can get even in Kara or Heroics.
Edited, Mar 23rd 2008 9:11pm by waihwang
Gaudion, I love ur posts man...srsly. They're great.
As for the others who posted, thank you for your time. I'm not new to WoW, PvE or PvP. I have seen T6 content and know how to go about getting gear. I was just wondering how helpful S1 healing gear was to a shaman. I think I have found what I am looking for and I greatly appreciate all of you who took the time to help and/or comment. I will continue to look here as well as EJ for Resto tips and gear stats etc.
As for the others who posted, thank you for your time. I'm not new to WoW, PvE or PvP. I have seen T6 content and know how to go about getting gear. I was just wondering how helpful S1 healing gear was to a shaman. I think I have found what I am looking for and I greatly appreciate all of you who took the time to help and/or comment. I will continue to look here as well as EJ for Resto tips and gear stats etc.
LOL, Guadion, can't you post without feeling the need to insult?
Honestly though, u really think the Vindicator pieces are that useless? Even the belt and bracers?
Perhaps... tell me which piece of gear is better (don't talk about post SSC/TK gear).
There is this old post with a whole list of resto gear and where to get them. It's good, except that it didn't include the latest PVP gear in the list. I'm quite sure u can insert them yourself rather easily and know where they should place.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=8;mid=1176846548112858357;num=8;page=1
Edited, Mar 24th 2008 1:29pm by waihwang
Honestly though, u really think the Vindicator pieces are that useless? Even the belt and bracers?
Perhaps... tell me which piece of gear is better (don't talk about post SSC/TK gear).
There is this old post with a whole list of resto gear and where to get them. It's good, except that it didn't include the latest PVP gear in the list. I'm quite sure u can insert them yourself rather easily and know where they should place.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=8;mid=1176846548112858357;num=8;page=1
Edited, Mar 24th 2008 1:29pm by waihwang
Honestly, I think that it is a viable option - but honestly If you are gonna main heal heroics or kara, you might be better of running all of the instances on regular mode a few times at least, obtaining gear that way.
The gear from PVP is lack luster for PVE in the sense that it is built where you will be taking hits. In PVE if done properly you should only rarely get hit, and you can get away with less armor and resil, with more +heal.
Most groups for kara are going to want you to get 1100-1200+ heal before you can step foot into a off-healing spot.
I walked in at 1300+ for my first run (all gear came from non-heroic instances), it was fine.
When I first tried a heroic instance I had 1350+ healing and IT WAS DREADFUL!!
Being honest, I wouldnt attempt them until you have 1400+ and you know your skills in order. Heck, IM only half way kara geared (1500+ healing) and I have problems healing stinkin heroics.
My gear is listed on the link below if it helps, prolly not.
The gear from PVP is lack luster for PVE in the sense that it is built where you will be taking hits. In PVE if done properly you should only rarely get hit, and you can get away with less armor and resil, with more +heal.
Most groups for kara are going to want you to get 1100-1200+ heal before you can step foot into a off-healing spot.
I walked in at 1300+ for my first run (all gear came from non-heroic instances), it was fine.
When I first tried a heroic instance I had 1350+ healing and IT WAS DREADFUL!!
Being honest, I wouldnt attempt them until you have 1400+ and you know your skills in order. Heck, IM only half way kara geared (1500+ healing) and I have problems healing stinkin heroics.
My gear is listed on the link below if it helps, prolly not.
This is a long debated topic and I doubt Gaudion's insults are going to solve it.
It's a very simple thing. Most PvP gear will not have MP5 or decent bonus healing. The only pieces you can really get away with without needing replacements are the necklace and the Salvation. The necklace has good bonus healing and a gem slot for even more. The Salvation is only 6 bonus healing and 2 Intellect away from Light's Justice.
In a nutshell, Shaman's need MP5, we're crippled without it and you don't get that from PvP gear.
Yes, it will work as a springboard for getting more bonus healing in a beginner Resto, but don't even get the legs, chest, gloves, helmet or boots. There are very good level 70 instance or quest blues for those slots.
Edited, Mar 30th 2008 4:28am by CestinShaman
It's a very simple thing. Most PvP gear will not have MP5 or decent bonus healing. The only pieces you can really get away with without needing replacements are the necklace and the Salvation. The necklace has good bonus healing and a gem slot for even more. The Salvation is only 6 bonus healing and 2 Intellect away from Light's Justice.
In a nutshell, Shaman's need MP5, we're crippled without it and you don't get that from PvP gear.
Yes, it will work as a springboard for getting more bonus healing in a beginner Resto, but don't even get the legs, chest, gloves, helmet or boots. There are very good level 70 instance or quest blues for those slots.
Edited, Mar 30th 2008 4:28am by CestinShaman
Like was previously mentioned, there is a major loss of MP5 on the PVP gear.
I just think that the PVP Rare Set is a better stepping stone. If you're honored with Thrallmar/Honor Hold, Cenarion Expedition, The Sha'Tar, Lower City, or Keepers of Time, I would at least get some decent filler pieces from the following sets. Go buy these first.
Seer's Mail Battlegear
Seer's Ringmail Battlegear
Seer's Linked Battlegear
Nadeshock
I just think that the PVP Rare Set is a better stepping stone. If you're honored with Thrallmar/Honor Hold, Cenarion Expedition, The Sha'Tar, Lower City, or Keepers of Time, I would at least get some decent filler pieces from the following sets. Go buy these first.
Seer's Mail Battlegear
Seer's Ringmail Battlegear
Seer's Linked Battlegear
Nadeshock
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