What is the real difference between "Vindicator's Dragonhide Bracers" and "Vindicator's Leather Bracers" A break down of the differences would be great. I bought Vindicator's Leather Bracers but from reading here and seeing other rogues wearing Vindicator's Dragonhide Bracers it makes me wanna know what the big difference is.
If the difference is huge then ill farm up the honor and get them.
Off topic: Thanks for all the help from all the posters! Since i started reading this forum i have learned a lot and also made my rogue a lot better than he once was. Thanks!
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Do the math yourself like 90% of the rogues that have the druid bracers.
I'm going to have to go with the fact that you sacrifice 7 attack power (basing this using rating buster and comparing them with the crap im wearing now) for more resilience, health, and crit. And higher end damage (I think) because of the minor strength increase.
The DrgnFlyDrft of Doom wrote:
I'm going to have to go with the fact that you sacrifice 7 attack power (basing this using rating buster and comparing them with the crap im wearing now) for more resilience, health, and crit. And higher end damage (I think) because of the minor strength increase.
I (and the rest of the regular posters here, odds are) would appreciate you not posting about gear again until you know what you're talking about.
It's because the Vindicator's Dragonhide Bracers has a cooler name. And rogues are all about being cool.
So, I managed to be wrong despite those are the only reasons I can see aside from a whopping 100 extra armor? When your done talking crap, feel free to answer the OP's question instead of insulting his/her intelligence.
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 8:48pm by DrgnFlyDrft
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 8:48pm by DrgnFlyDrft
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 8:48pm by DrgnFlyDrft
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 8:48pm by DrgnFlyDrft
The DrgnFlyDrft of Doom wrote:
I'm going to have to go with the fact that you sacrifice 7 attack power (basing this using rating buster and comparing them with the crap im wearing now) for more resilience, health, and crit. And higher end damage (I think) because of the minor strength increase.
That's the part he's probably calling you out on.
To a rogue,
Strength gives 1 AP,
Agility gives 1 AP,
AP gives 1 AP (obviously).
14 AP increases base damage by 1. The way you said that "minor strength (as in, specifically that) increases top end damage" doesn't really follow, though it's technically true.
You are right in saying that you get a bit more out of the druid bracers stat-wise than you do with the rogue bracers.
The DrgnFlyDrft of Doom wrote:
So, I managed to be wrong despite those are the only reasons I can see aside from a whopping 100 extra armor? When your done talking crap, feel free to answer the OP's question instead of insulting his/her intelligence.
I told him to do his math like every other rogue that has the druid bracers did.
Since he (and apparently you too) seem to be too dumb, here, I laid it all out for you:
Dragonhide socketed with 16 AP:
+60 AP
+29 stam
+1.5% crit
+19 res
Leather socketed with 4 crit/8 AP:
+59 AP
+33 stam
+1.35% crit
+17 res
You can say you're sorry and that you're dumb at any point.
So, basically, your doing nothing more then agreeing with me? And to be honest, I didn't include gems in what I said. So, gems aside the dragonhide gives...more health, resilience, and crit. And gemmed, you gain one more AP. To paraphrase you Theo, "Yes you were right, just not completely. Here's the complete breakdown the OP asked for and that you tried to give, although you failed. Your welcome." See? Not so hard at all.
Edit: I forgot say I was sorry for making myself a target for you to insult behind a monitor. But thanks for all the information you provide on here, I'm working on becoming a better rogue all the time thanks to the info. Although I am a little confused as to why you say any rogue not using swords since 2.3.2 is a dumbass, but all I can see when I armory you (which is often since I like to see where I want to be in regards to pvp gear/gems/enchants) is maces.
Edit 2: How freaking ironic is that, I armory one more time to check something and boom, swords.
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 10:16pm by DrgnFlyDrft
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 10:17pm by DrgnFlyDrft
Edit: I forgot say I was sorry for making myself a target for you to insult behind a monitor. But thanks for all the information you provide on here, I'm working on becoming a better rogue all the time thanks to the info. Although I am a little confused as to why you say any rogue not using swords since 2.3.2 is a dumbass, but all I can see when I armory you (which is often since I like to see where I want to be in regards to pvp gear/gems/enchants) is maces.
Edit 2: How freaking ironic is that, I armory one more time to check something and boom, swords.
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 10:16pm by DrgnFlyDrft
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 10:17pm by DrgnFlyDrft
The DrgnFlyDrft of Doom wrote:
Edit: I forgot say I was sorry for making myself a target for you to insult behind a monitor. But thanks for all the information you provide on here, I'm working on becoming a better rogue all the time thanks to the info. Although I am a little confused as to why you say any rogue not using swords since 2.3.2 is a dumbass, but all I can see when I armory you (which is often since I like to see where I want to be in regards to pvp gear/gems/enchants) is maces.
Edit 2: How freaking ironic is that, I armory one more time to check something and boom, swords.
Edit 2: How freaking ironic is that, I armory one more time to check something and boom, swords.
It's alright, you didn't know you were making yourself a target. To tell the truth I'm bored of playing AV all day (I have a couple weeks off), and this was a nice distraction (plus the oboards) from how awful 99% of the people that play this game are.
Re: the swords thing, I had honor lying around and mats for mongoose. I was also tired of the mace models, and needed a MH sword for running ZA with my guild, so I picked up a s1 slicer.
The reason--in case you haven't guessed--that I tell people they're dumb for not picking up swords (I had my maces from the HARP days) now is because with ShS it doesn't matter what you use: fists, swords, or maces. In PvE, though, it does. Combat swords is the highest DPS build by a fair margin, so you'd be dumb to not take swords.
Considering there have been no buffs planned for anything in combat (and TBH, I really doubt they'll buff combat in PvP), I think it's safe to say that the days where maces were king are over.
Of course, even if they do buff combat, swords are a more burst-oriented spec than maces, which suits most playstyles better than the slowdown that mace spec plays as. I'd still consider them a viable option to combat maces in PvP.
I know exactly how you feel. I farmed up 40 AV marks in the past 2 weeks, and it's just torture. At least on my battlegroup anyways, I hear alliance wins all kinds on the others. And yeah, I figured as much with the extra procs from sword spec that swords would be king in PvE. I'm personally hoping with the buff to muti it might be viable in PvP, at least to some small extent in normal battlegrounds, where people tend to not stack 450+ resilience. Oh well, thanks again for that breakdown, I figured the dragonhide would be better, but I completely forgot about gemming. I tend to do that and my guild yells at me for it. And I'm glad I provided a few minutes of amusement for ya 
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.Mut is still viable, though it lacks in mobility (you absolutely need FF/5% snare resist meta/surefooted to compensate for the insane amount of snares you're going to receive in arena). With the buff it's getting in 2.4, I'd say it's not going to get any more viable, though it'll be a good choice on teams where the rogue isn't getting focused (mostly eurocomp 5s).
Of course ShS is better, since snared rogues do no damage, but meh.
Of course ShS is better, since snared rogues do no damage, but meh.
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