I play a feral druid while leveling, prob gonna go balance or resto at 70 due to not really wanting to tank. But I C O N S T A N T L Y get invites to heal, they won't even bother asking for the spec first, when they tell(not ask) me to go respec to resto, and when I ask for respec gold (like 25?g right now for both respecs), They flame me, call me an idiot, @#%^wad, noob, etc. How do I fix this, Any addons that auto responds to heal, tank, etc?
And when I dps as cat, I top the damage meters, but the huntard, rogue etc(which I also play) say my dps suck, while I have like 4-5% more damage on the meters.
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 10:14pm by CyrexBismarck
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I was in a similar situation in that I leveled feral, but I also kept a current healing set as well. I never had any trouble healing instances my level or a bit above.
When I PUG'ed, I told them I could either heal or tank, whichever was needed. Since both are in short supply, this was gladly accepted most of the time. The few times people questioned how a feral could heal, I'd tell them my pertinent stats. A few times they looked elsewhere for a healer, but most of the time, they clammed up and I healed fine.
I've never asked to respec for a run. If I were, especially for a PUG, I'd tell them to find someone else.
As for an auto response add-on, I don't know of any, but one of the looking for groups screens (looking for more, maybe?) has a notes section. Put in that you're feral but can heal. Anyone who expects YOU to bend to THEIR expectations deserves to be on your ignore list.
When I PUG'ed, I told them I could either heal or tank, whichever was needed. Since both are in short supply, this was gladly accepted most of the time. The few times people questioned how a feral could heal, I'd tell them my pertinent stats. A few times they looked elsewhere for a healer, but most of the time, they clammed up and I healed fine.
I've never asked to respec for a run. If I were, especially for a PUG, I'd tell them to find someone else.
As for an auto response add-on, I don't know of any, but one of the looking for groups screens (looking for more, maybe?) has a notes section. Put in that you're feral but can heal. Anyone who expects YOU to bend to THEIR expectations deserves to be on your ignore list.
Funny.. I'm Balance and I always get whispers asking to tank. Gotta be Murphy's Law or something.
I also have an(almost full) heal and spelldmg set.
all the time...
I am a healer though but often am asked to tank.
When I'm trying pug a instance I will put in my notes resto spec/healer something along those lines that hey I'm a tree not a tank..
Yet I still get people asking me if I can tank or if I am a healer..
Please just read the notes instead of shooting a whisper off or blindly inviting me.
I haven't ever had anyone ask me to respec as of yet though...
My other semi-rant is 3 druids to a group but thats another thread.
I am a healer though but often am asked to tank.
When I'm trying pug a instance I will put in my notes resto spec/healer something along those lines that hey I'm a tree not a tank..
Yet I still get people asking me if I can tank or if I am a healer..
Please just read the notes instead of shooting a whisper off or blindly inviting me.
I haven't ever had anyone ask me to respec as of yet though...
My other semi-rant is 3 druids to a group but thats another thread.
I do that, but people are too retarded to read them, I wish they made it like the FFXI search msg's, When you clicked on their name, up to 3 lines of text that the who'd person could write will get thrown into the chat.
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 11:58pm by CyrexBismarck
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 11:58pm by CyrexBismarck
I regularly get whispers asking me to tank/heal a 5 man while I am tanking in Karazhan, Gruul's, TK or SSC I just ignore them and make a mental note to not invite that person to the guild :)
Any uber addon making druids? :P Could really use an addon that auto replies to different druid stuff (Mage has one for water/portals etc)
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Funny.. I'm Balance and I always get whispers asking to tank. Gotta be Murphy's Law or something.
Same here.
You never hear: "LF1M Heroic Mech. DPS Boomkin prefered"
I always get whispers/blind invites and the group is surprised when I am not a healer/tank. (I have long since ignored any and all blind invites BTW)
Me: "I am not the Healer you are looking for"]
*Uses Druid mind trick*
Leader: "You can't heal??? WTF!?!"
Me: "That's not what I said. I am not a healer....as in I am not SPEC'D to heal. My note in LFG says: Balance Dr00d, NOT TANK, NOT HEALER"
Leader: /boot
*sigh*
Thanks God for guildies and RL Buddies who love having my Crit Chicken in any dungeon.
Heh, crit chicken, gotta remember that one.
RaideroftheBlade wrote:
Thanks God for guildies and RL Buddies who love having my Crit Chicken in any dungeon.
I'm totally with you on that one. They can't get enough of my AURA. (Especially since I have the Idol of the Raven Goddess XD).
You should be prepared to fulfill any role your class is capable of doing. You're a hybrid. It's just life. You don't have to go out of your way to pick up off-spec pieces, but if one falls in your lap, grab onto it. Our itemization is not as good in the DPS department as other classes, so after Kara or so, you don't typically see druids topping DPS meters, either feral or balance.
Right now, druid utility is huge in the healing department. If you don't want to ever be asked to heal, don't roll a class with healing spells. If you don't want to do it, say "No thanks" and move on with your life. If they're looking for your dps, they'll ask for your dps. If they want you to respec and they pay you for it, that's up to you, but if they want you to respec to help them, they're just mental and probably nine and a half, used to getting whatever they want. Tell them that you're going to tell their parents and they'll stop.
EDIT: Why the hell won't my sig update? /boggle
Edited, Mar 20th 2008 12:46pm by rappoccio
Right now, druid utility is huge in the healing department. If you don't want to ever be asked to heal, don't roll a class with healing spells. If you don't want to do it, say "No thanks" and move on with your life. If they're looking for your dps, they'll ask for your dps. If they want you to respec and they pay you for it, that's up to you, but if they want you to respec to help them, they're just mental and probably nine and a half, used to getting whatever they want. Tell them that you're going to tell their parents and they'll stop.
EDIT: Why the hell won't my sig update? /boggle
Edited, Mar 20th 2008 12:46pm by rappoccio
rappoccio wrote:
You should be prepared to fulfill any role your class is capable of doing. You're a hybrid. It's just life. You don't have to go out of your way to pick up off-spec pieces, but if one falls in your lap, grab onto it. Our itemization is not as good in the DPS department as other classes, so after Kara or so, you don't typically see druids topping DPS meters, either feral or balance.
Right now, druid utility is huge in the healing department. If you don't want to ever be asked to heal, don't roll a class with healing spells. If you don't want to do it, say "No thanks" and move on with your life. If they're looking for your dps, they'll ask for your dps. If they want you to respec and they pay you for it, that's up to you, but if they want you to respec to help them, they're just mental and probably nine and a half, used to getting whatever they want. Tell them that you're going to tell their parents and they'll stop.
EDIT: Why the hell won't my sig update? /boggle
Edited, Mar 20th 2008 12:46pm by rappoccio
Right now, druid utility is huge in the healing department. If you don't want to ever be asked to heal, don't roll a class with healing spells. If you don't want to do it, say "No thanks" and move on with your life. If they're looking for your dps, they'll ask for your dps. If they want you to respec and they pay you for it, that's up to you, but if they want you to respec to help them, they're just mental and probably nine and a half, used to getting whatever they want. Tell them that you're going to tell their parents and they'll stop.
EDIT: Why the hell won't my sig update? /boggle
Edited, Mar 20th 2008 12:46pm by rappoccio
I don't mind healing, hell, I like healing it's fun, but I won't pay like 25+ gold to heal for one instance, then go back to feral to level.
Edited, Mar 20th 2008 8:40pm by CyrexBismarck
As a feral dps spec (and equipped) druid, the only problem I have is when I'm pugging the daily Heroic. There are so many dpser looking for the same instances, that usually, the party look for some dps with actual CC. It doesn't matter I can OT some pulls if needed, if the tank isn't a pally, they want CC with their dps and a feral druid dpser brings relatively none.
But, then again, I almost never run the daily with a PUG, only fill some spaces in the party if needed (usually an dpser). It's a pain in the *** to PUG.
But, then again, I almost never run the daily with a PUG, only fill some spaces in the party if needed (usually an dpser). It's a pain in the *** to PUG.
CyrexBismarck wrote:
I don't mind healing, hell, I like healing it's fun, but I won't pay like 25+ gold to heal for one instance, then go back to feral to level.
Edited, Mar 20th 2008 8:40pm by CyrexBismarck
Of course not. If they want to pay your respec costs that's one thing, but if not they can **** off.
if your sig is accurate cyrex, you dont *need* to respec to heal. the first instance you might need to be resto to main heal is maybe sethekk halls, and thats only if youre doing it pre-70.
i main healed every non-70 instance as a feral spec (exception being old HB just cause i could never find a group). sometimes i had to pot, and there were some close calls, but its definetely doable.
i really wish they hadnt made talents inspectable, or even visible on the armory. ive healed so much stuff as deep feral that ive had a number of compliments on how good of a resto healer i was. then i say "oh, thanks! watch this *mangles random mob*". the reaction is always priceless.
i miss those days.
i main healed every non-70 instance as a feral spec (exception being old HB just cause i could never find a group). sometimes i had to pot, and there were some close calls, but its definetely doable.
i really wish they hadnt made talents inspectable, or even visible on the armory. ive healed so much stuff as deep feral that ive had a number of compliments on how good of a resto healer i was. then i say "oh, thanks! watch this *mangles random mob*". the reaction is always priceless.
i miss those days.
Yeah, the extra 20% Int from HotW makes healing as feral not all that bad. Plus, you already have 5/5 Naturalist for faster Healing Touch, and might have 3/3 Intensity for mana regen.
I know I healed regular SV, and I think I healed SL as feral, not sure about any of the other 70 instances. It's kinda hard to pass yourself off as a resto druid if you don't turn into a tree, but I guess if anyone asked you could say you're spec'd for better/more efficient HTs. /shrug
I know I healed regular SV, and I think I healed SL as feral, not sure about any of the other 70 instances. It's kinda hard to pass yourself off as a resto druid if you don't turn into a tree, but I guess if anyone asked you could say you're spec'd for better/more efficient HTs. /shrug
downranking is really the key. that and making sure your group doesnt pull any boneheaded moves (easier said than done with some pugs).
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You should be prepared to fulfill any role your class is capable of doing. You're a hybrid. It's just life. You don't have to go out of your way to pick up off-spec pieces, but if one falls in your lap, grab onto it. Our itemization is not as good in the DPS department as other classes, so after Kara or so, you don't typically see druids topping DPS meters, either feral or balance.
Right now, druid utility is huge in the healing department. If you don't want to ever be asked to heal, don't roll a class with healing spells. If you don't want to do it, say "No thanks" and move on with your life. If they're looking for your dps, they'll ask for your dps. If they want you to respec and they pay you for it, that's up to you, but if they want you to respec to help them, they're just mental and probably nine and a half, used to getting whatever they want. Tell them that you're going to tell their parents and they'll stop.
EDIT: Why the hell won't my sig update? /boggle
Right now, druid utility is huge in the healing department. If you don't want to ever be asked to heal, don't roll a class with healing spells. If you don't want to do it, say "No thanks" and move on with your life. If they're looking for your dps, they'll ask for your dps. If they want you to respec and they pay you for it, that's up to you, but if they want you to respec to help them, they're just mental and probably nine and a half, used to getting whatever they want. Tell them that you're going to tell their parents and they'll stop.
EDIT: Why the hell won't my sig update? /boggle
Yes, and all Priests need to be able to sufficiently DPS, all Hunters should be able to chain trap, all Warriors should be able to tank and DPS, all Shaman should be able to heal and DPS. . . . . do you see what I'm getting at here?
You aren't a Druid. You are a Feral Druid, or a Resto Druid, or a Dreamstate / Balance Druid. To be EXPECTED to fill any role at a whim is ridiculous.
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The moral of this story is "Don't PuG".
I stopped PuGing stuff a long time ago, and although I progress slower with things like Rep grinding, I can actually stand to do the instances without pulling my hair out now - so its a trade I was glad to make.
I'm Feral - I'll Tank, I'll DPS, I'll do both in the same instance/raid, I don't care, but the only things I'll heal are group quests, and really low instances.
I stopped PuGing stuff a long time ago, and although I progress slower with things like Rep grinding, I can actually stand to do the instances without pulling my hair out now - so its a trade I was glad to make.
I'm Feral - I'll Tank, I'll DPS, I'll do both in the same instance/raid, I don't care, but the only things I'll heal are group quests, and really low instances.
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Heh, crit chicken, gotta remember that one.
Heh - in our raids, our guild boomkin is commonly known as the BATTLE TURKEY !
Edited, Mar 25th 2008 6:12am by RareBeast
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You aren't a Druid. You are a Feral Druid, or a Resto Druid, or a Dreamstate / Balance Druid. To be EXPECTED to fill any role at a whim is ridiculous.
yeah, but at the same time, i find theres nothing quite as satisfying as exceeding a persons expectations while being off-spec for your job. if nothing else, i like the challenge of it. its no biggie if a resto main heals a heroic, but a feral? thatd be a sight.
thats how i feel anyway.
On my druids I carry gear for at least two roles. My feral druid had tanking, melee dps and a healing kit and my balance druid had healing and spell dps gear (some feral gear too, but I tried tanking with her once and it was too much like hard work).
At lower levels you don't need to be specced for the job, just have a secondary set of gear with the correct stats. My feral druid didn't heal much on the way to 70, but that's because most groups needed a tank. I did heal Arcatraz with her though as feral spec with no major issues (other than the abyssal mobs).
I like to keep my options open on my character as it gives me more chance to be able to join a group, though you will always get those that think you need to be specced a certain way to heal/tank/dps in an instance.
If you really get annoyed then I think you can either set a dnd message (though i have no idea how to change this, possibly it's as easy as typing /dnd Feral druid, no I won't heal for your instance), downside to this is that it replies to anyone who whispers you so can be annoying when talking to friends.
Or make a macro which says /r [insert message of refusal to heal), theoretically that should reply to your last whisper. So just click it anytime someone asks you to heal.
I've never been that annoyed by whispers that I want to automate responses, but I do get a bit narked when people a) don't read the note I put in LFG or b) whisper me when I'm not in LFG asking about my spec without any mention of where they want me to go (not to mention that I might not want to instance at all) or people who whisper asking if you want to go somewhere and don't say what role they need filled.
At lower levels you don't need to be specced for the job, just have a secondary set of gear with the correct stats. My feral druid didn't heal much on the way to 70, but that's because most groups needed a tank. I did heal Arcatraz with her though as feral spec with no major issues (other than the abyssal mobs).
I like to keep my options open on my character as it gives me more chance to be able to join a group, though you will always get those that think you need to be specced a certain way to heal/tank/dps in an instance.
If you really get annoyed then I think you can either set a dnd message (though i have no idea how to change this, possibly it's as easy as typing /dnd Feral druid, no I won't heal for your instance), downside to this is that it replies to anyone who whispers you so can be annoying when talking to friends.
Or make a macro which says /r [insert message of refusal to heal), theoretically that should reply to your last whisper. So just click it anytime someone asks you to heal.
I've never been that annoyed by whispers that I want to automate responses, but I do get a bit narked when people a) don't read the note I put in LFG or b) whisper me when I'm not in LFG asking about my spec without any mention of where they want me to go (not to mention that I might not want to instance at all) or people who whisper asking if you want to go somewhere and don't say what role they need filled.
jaysgsl wrote:
Yes, and all Priests need to be able to sufficiently DPS, all Hunters should be able to chain trap, all Warriors should be able to tank and DPS, all Shaman should be able to heal and DPS. . . . . do you see what I'm getting at here?
You should be familiar with all aspects of your class to fill any role that it can do. You might not be specced for it, and you might not have the best gear, but you should be prepared to fill in should the need arise. The mark of a good player is someone who has different sets of gear for different situations.
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You aren't a Druid. You are a Feral Druid, or a Resto Druid, or a Dreamstate / Balance Druid. To be EXPECTED to fill any role at a whim is ridiculous.
Why? Even as resto I can carry my feral gear (or make a quick trip to the bank to get it). If someone's willing to pay my respec costs I'm happy to oblige. If not, they can find someone else.
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You aren't a Druid. You are a Feral Druid, or a Resto Druid, or a Dreamstate / Balance Druid. To be EXPECTED to fill any role at a whim is ridiculous.
Why? Even as resto I can carry my feral gear (or make a quick trip to the bank to get it). If someone's willing to pay my respec costs I'm happy to oblige. If not, they can find someone else.
You aren't a Druid. You are a Feral Druid, or a Resto Druid, or a Dreamstate / Balance Druid. To be EXPECTED to fill any role at a whim is ridiculous.
Why? Even as resto I can carry my feral gear (or make a quick trip to the bank to get it). If someone's willing to pay my respec costs I'm happy to oblige. If not, they can find someone else.
I too carry 2 and 1/2 sets at all times and will fill roles as needed. Unfortunately I still only get 1 Battle rez every 20 min and healing is not as efficient as it could be.
I got to do some non-Boomkin work in Kara last night as our off tank was unable to show so while clearing the library area of mana worms (immune to magic IIRC = Sad Boomkin). So I switched up the gear went bear and the Tank and I gathered the worms and put them down. Nothing fantastic but my buddy who roles a mage was green w envy (silly gnome swigging away with his staff).
In one of our kara runs we didn't have an off tank, so we had a boomkin in crappy feral gear off tanking on netherspite :D
Just had one wipe and then we nailed him.
Just because you chose one spec, don't expect never to fill other roles.
Just had one wipe and then we nailed him.
Just because you chose one spec, don't expect never to fill other roles.
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