I have access to one of these and was wondering if it's all that great for a Protection Paladin because of the amount of spell damage on it. I also liked it incase I respeced for Holy. My play time is limited due to RL and I'm not sure I will be able to even do Kara.
What do you all think?
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i would get the crystalforged sword over that any day for a prot pally.
its good for holy, but there are better. If you like to PvP you can get the gladiator's salvation for healing, or you could get the gladiator's gavel for prot even.
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 8:27am by KTurner
its good for holy, but there are better. If you like to PvP you can get the gladiator's salvation for healing, or you could get the gladiator's gavel for prot even.
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 8:27am by KTurner
No stam = not prot
Boo on tankadins using healing weapons for spell damage. Almost as bad as them using Res gear to reach uncrittable.
Crystalforged will do you well enough, in the mean time you want to save points of for the PVP spell damage mace which will actually do you quite well either until you get the drop off ZA or the trash spell damage mace in Hyjal.
Crystalforged will do you well enough, in the mean time you want to save points of for the PVP spell damage mace which will actually do you quite well either until you get the drop off ZA or the trash spell damage mace in Hyjal.
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bodhisattva wrote:
Crystalforged will do you well enough, in the mean time you want to save points of for the PVP spell damage mace which will actually do you quite well either until you get the drop off ZA or the trash spell damage mace in Hyjal.
Yes yes and YES! I'm surprised how often this weapon goes unmentioned. I guess it's because it deals with PVP, and hardcore PVE players (especially prot pallys) may frown on most PVP items. At least you hope... except for the Gavel!!
Grinding PVP for this mace is the easiest way to get a very awesome, won't replace for a long time mace (unless with another PVP up-grade) that I started my grind for it at Lv65. I hardly PVP with my pally (1-2 hrs a crack, once or twice a week) and I had this guy in my bag at Lv69. Pop a +40 spell damage enchant on it and never look back.
The only other PVP item I got was the PVP shoulder because Mr. Laj never found it in his kind fertilizer to drop the Spaulders ><
Kz
Edited, Mar 19th 2008 5:10pm by Killzon
bodhisattva wrote:
Boo on tankadins using healing weapons for spell damage. Almost as bad as them using Res gear to reach uncrittable.
Crystalforged will do you well enough, in the mean time you want to save points of for the PVP spell damage mace which will actually do you quite well either until you get the drop off ZA or the trash spell damage mace in Hyjal.
Crystalforged will do you well enough, in the mean time you want to save points of for the PVP spell damage mace which will actually do you quite well either until you get the drop off ZA or the trash spell damage mace in Hyjal.
heh my healing mace has more spell damage with +81 healing enchant, sta and int than crystalforged sword would with spell dmg ench.
I was thinking about using a Light's Justice w/ 40 spell power. Lose 11 block, gain massive int and like 5 spell power.
I know you were being facetious Loki but still:
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=32660;source=live
BOE blue. Gives you 120 of the 200 spell power most Prot pallies like to have. Has stam and block rating. It is cheap and easy to get and the single best option other than pvp until, well into t5 when you are ready to tank Zul'aman. Light's Justice only has 7 more sp, a lot less stam and no tanking stats.
Epics for the sake of epics = fail.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=32450;source=live
S1 PvP mace has 199 spell damage, int and stam. Relatively easy to farm the honor for it.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=32963;source=live
S2 mace is even better, take a month or more to farm depending on whether you suck at Arena or not.
I'd recommend getting the boe blue, while farming S1/S2 mace. S1/S2 will take you to end t5 content. By then you should be able to go hit up eagle boss in ZA for the Amani Punisher. Which is the best you will see until Hyjal trash.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=32660;source=live
BOE blue. Gives you 120 of the 200 spell power most Prot pallies like to have. Has stam and block rating. It is cheap and easy to get and the single best option other than pvp until, well into t5 when you are ready to tank Zul'aman. Light's Justice only has 7 more sp, a lot less stam and no tanking stats.
Epics for the sake of epics = fail.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=32450;source=live
S1 PvP mace has 199 spell damage, int and stam. Relatively easy to farm the honor for it.
http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/item.html?witem=32963;source=live
S2 mace is even better, take a month or more to farm depending on whether you suck at Arena or not.
I'd recommend getting the boe blue, while farming S1/S2 mace. S1/S2 will take you to end t5 content. By then you should be able to go hit up eagle boss in ZA for the Amani Punisher. Which is the best you will see until Hyjal trash.
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Ok, 200 spell power is a "starting Kara" level. You'll never be able to put up the kind of threat generation you need for high end tanking with only 200. I'm rocking around 350 right now and am just barely eclipsing the 1k TPS mark on bosses (sustained, not burst).
The hard and fast truth of the matter is that the crystal forged sword is pretty over rated. Anything with more spell power and over 15 or so stam is going to serve you better.
The hard and fast truth of the matter is that the crystal forged sword is pretty over rated. Anything with more spell power and over 15 or so stam is going to serve you better.
Loki wrote:
The hard and fast truth of the matter is that the crystal forged sword is pretty over rated. Anything with more spell power and over 15 or so stam is going to serve you better.
/disagree
By the time you are needing to rock that extra spell damage you will a) have had plenty of time to grind the Season 1 mace b) be able to run ZA for the Amani Punisher c) be able to bid on Fang of the Leviathan from SSC.
What the "hard and fast" truth is is that the only weapon itemized for Paladin tanking IS the Crystalforged Sword. No, you won't be tanking Illidan with it, but that doesn't mean that any weapon you ARE using is a "Paladin tank weapon". Warriors have tanking weapons all the way up, but Paladins have to "make due" with a caster itemized weapon.
First time I set foot into Kara I was in pretty pathetic Blues & Greens... only 89% avoidance and just over 490 defense. None of my gear really had +spell damage except a filler trinket I used which only gave +24. But I farmed the S1 PVP mace very easily before I even hit Lv70. The MT pally had 3-4 badge pieces & 3-4 Kara pieces, but used the Crystalforged sword.
...I easily out TPS the MT. Considering they had 3-4 badge pieces & 3-4 Kara pieces, it just didn't seem right.
S1 mace: easy, good, why not? Start farming at ANY level... just don't spend the Honor. So to me, the Crystalforged sword IS good... but it should be like all other starting 5-man Lv70 pieces. Looking to get replaced.
Kz
...I easily out TPS the MT. Considering they had 3-4 badge pieces & 3-4 Kara pieces, it just didn't seem right.
S1 mace: easy, good, why not? Start farming at ANY level... just don't spend the Honor. So to me, the Crystalforged sword IS good... but it should be like all other starting 5-man Lv70 pieces. Looking to get replaced.
Kz
Thank you for reinforcing my point ;)
Would like to note though, I think that may have a little more to do with you being a superior tank skill wise. I'm still using Crystalforged Sword and have no trouble holding threat (cause that damn Amani Punisher won't drop for me ...). Higher spell damage on your weapon is a huge bonus, but up to around Vashj/Kael it's not the end all, all things considered.
For those that hate PvP? Only reason I can come up with, but there are some like me that just can't stand it. I did the honor grind for 2 weapons for my Enh Shaman and that was more PvP then I ever wanted to do. I never would have, but anyone that's tried to gear a new 70 Enh Shaman knows the severe lack of decent weaponry for the spec, and I didn't feel like waiting around for Kara groups for the "chance" at Fool's Bane/Decapitator =/
Would like to note though, I think that may have a little more to do with you being a superior tank skill wise. I'm still using Crystalforged Sword and have no trouble holding threat (cause that damn Amani Punisher won't drop for me ...). Higher spell damage on your weapon is a huge bonus, but up to around Vashj/Kael it's not the end all, all things considered.
Killzon wrote:
S1 mace: easy, good, why not?
For those that hate PvP? Only reason I can come up with, but there are some like me that just can't stand it. I did the honor grind for 2 weapons for my Enh Shaman and that was more PvP then I ever wanted to do. I never would have, but anyone that's tried to gear a new 70 Enh Shaman knows the severe lack of decent weaponry for the spec, and I didn't feel like waiting around for Kara groups for the "chance" at Fool's Bane/Decapitator =/
I'm not saying that the world should be an endless pursuit of a light's justice for tanking. All I'm saying is that "best in slot" means "best in slot" no matter who the item is intended for. If you're running Kara and a light's justice drops while you're using crystal forged, it's a minor upgrade.
The same theory applies to everything. Just because something is not itemized ideally (budget wasted on healing, Spirit or Strength) doesn't mean you shouldn't use it if it still has more of the stats you DO want.
You don't start with 25k honor, nor does Akil'zon always drop that stupid mace I've wanted for forever. Rock whatever you can get your hands on.
The same theory applies to everything. Just because something is not itemized ideally (budget wasted on healing, Spirit or Strength) doesn't mean you shouldn't use it if it still has more of the stats you DO want.
You don't start with 25k honor, nor does Akil'zon always drop that stupid mace I've wanted for forever. Rock whatever you can get your hands on.
I agree with you wholeheartedly, use what's best, but this here
is why something like a Crystalforged Sword should not be so easily overlooked. To those that said not to use a healing weapon to tank with, if it has the better stats that you want, yea you should use it, until you can get a real "tankadin" weapon. Crystalforged is the perfect tide over until you can reach the amount of honor needed or get the drop needed for an upgrade.
Loki wrote:
You don't start with 25k honor, nor does Akil'zon always drop that stupid mace I've wanted for forever.
is why something like a Crystalforged Sword should not be so easily overlooked. To those that said not to use a healing weapon to tank with, if it has the better stats that you want, yea you should use it, until you can get a real "tankadin" weapon. Crystalforged is the perfect tide over until you can reach the amount of honor needed or get the drop needed for an upgrade.
If I recall our Prot Pally who is actually our raid leader on trash used the Crystalforge from Kara to just about the time we killed Kael'thas.
Better than any other tanking drops without spelldamage, and much much better than any healing mace. Of course the week after he finally got his S2 mace for tanking we had 2 of the spell damage maces drop in one night in Hyjal so that is what he uses now.
Better than any other tanking drops without spelldamage, and much much better than any healing mace. Of course the week after he finally got his S2 mace for tanking we had 2 of the spell damage maces drop in one night in Hyjal so that is what he uses now.
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I've started the grind for the S1 mace last night, though my paladin is not yet 70 (currently 67) I just pick a warrior out and follow them around healing as they fight. Worked out pretty well. Also random buffing and healing to anyone who needed it. I figured I would try to run AV once an night for an hour or so. Then when I get closer to having enough honor start doing Eye of Storms. Mainly because it takes a while to get in one and I can keep running back to back AV.
I'm guessing it will take awhile to get the honor to get the mace, but maybe I will have it by the time I get to 70.
I'm guessing it will take awhile to get the honor to get the mace, but maybe I will have it by the time I get to 70.
if you make sure to do the BG daily as well each day, that should help you out a bit too.
KTurner wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
Boo on tankadins using healing weapons for spell damage. Almost as bad as them using Res gear to reach uncrittable.
Crystalforged will do you well enough, in the mean time you want to save points of for the PVP spell damage mace which will actually do you quite well either until you get the drop off ZA or the trash spell damage mace in Hyjal.
Crystalforged will do you well enough, in the mean time you want to save points of for the PVP spell damage mace which will actually do you quite well either until you get the drop off ZA or the trash spell damage mace in Hyjal.
heh my healing mace has more spell damage with +81 healing enchant, sta and int than crystalforged sword would with spell dmg ench.
Yes, your arena epic healing weapon provides a whopping 7 more +damage than a BoE blue.
Personally I liked how I could buy a Crystalforged Sword when I saw one at a low price while leveling and have it instantly available when I hit level 70.
That's the point, though. If it comes down to a blue that is itemized for you but lacks the overall budget to be the better item vs. an epic that is itemized for someone else but has a higher budget and thus marginally better stats, why not take the epic? Is it better than what you should be working for? No. But it makes an acceptable stopgap on your way to the top.
Edited, Mar 21st 2008 4:48pm by Loki
Edited, Mar 21st 2008 4:48pm by Loki
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