Just curious if any of you was thinking of any mayor respecc coming 2.4
I'm currently at affliction and was planning on doing some Felguard raiding (yes, I know it is not THE high-end optimum. yes, I know it will be worse after 2.4 as it does not benefit enough from haste) simply because I wanted to check it out before going to the 0/21/40 as soon as I reach the minimum.
Now with 2.4 it seems that pyromancers would be getting a bit of a pushup and I was wondering if any had thought on trying it out. If I got it correctly, your personal damage would be better than with shadow, but due to ISB the shadow dmg bonus to the raid would be preferable.... now... am I dreaming things, or did I read that the ISB buff would no longer affect the whole raid but yoursefl only? Would this put fire back in the raids?
Any other changes (like trashing all your dmg gems and putting haste gems) you are planning for the patch? (this post is not a specific fire-shadow question)
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only change in 2.4 is the emberstorm change. and people have already tested it to death and shadow destruction still comes top over fire.
BUT
IMO, the emberstorm change will allow for destruction to become alot more viable in arena. with roughly 10-12% spell haste ontop of the talent(probably achievable with the new pvp gear), you'll have a 2second cast incinerate. mixed in with arena 4set bonus, about a 1.1-1.2 second cast fear as well. it could be pretty damn powerful for a flash nuke group / increased survivablity as dest.
BUT
IMO, the emberstorm change will allow for destruction to become alot more viable in arena. with roughly 10-12% spell haste ontop of the talent(probably achievable with the new pvp gear), you'll have a 2second cast incinerate. mixed in with arena 4set bonus, about a 1.1-1.2 second cast fear as well. it could be pretty damn powerful for a flash nuke group / increased survivablity as dest.
Well Jenova there's a fair bit of theorycrafting going on about Shadow vs Fire right now, so I wouldnt be too hasty saying Shadow is better than Fire. I've seen well-reasoned arguments (and even discrete numerical analyses) for both conclusions, so Im going to wait til the actual patch comes out before I start declaring a winner.
Iradiel, if you wanted to spec Felguard then there isnt much change to be found in 2.4. I guess you could theoretically not spec Improved Shadowbolt (which, it is fairly sure, will NOT increase Raid DPS anymore, and is only 15%) and go for a Fire-based approach, I just dont know why you would.
Iradiel, if you wanted to spec Felguard then there isnt much change to be found in 2.4. I guess you could theoretically not spec Improved Shadowbolt (which, it is fairly sure, will NOT increase Raid DPS anymore, and is only 15%) and go for a Fire-based approach, I just dont know why you would.
my guild has a firelock thats hella funny. he uses soul fire every single chance he gets, be it pvp, arena, or raiding.
he does pretty well on the dps charts, but we are by no means a serious raiding-style guild. ill tell ya, there's nothing quite as funny as watching him proc cheat death on a rogue at 68%, or take off 1-2% of a boss mobs health with a single soul fire crit.
he does pretty well on the dps charts, but we are by no means a serious raiding-style guild. ill tell ya, there's nothing quite as funny as watching him proc cheat death on a rogue at 68%, or take off 1-2% of a boss mobs health with a single soul fire crit.
If I'm honest, I find Firelocks MUCH more fun to play in raids. Soul Fire is a good laugh although I dunno why he's casting it so much, me I'd run out of shards too fast. Back when I was firespec, I had the time of my life hiding behind rocks in AV and charging up a hefty trinketed Soul Fire, critting down some Warrior who cant even see me, but for PvE I can only guess he's using Soul Fire for the fun factor :)
ya, he likes to see if he can pull hate with blessing of salvation on.
he did it once while curator was evocating. his curse of doom crit for something like 12k and his soul fire for oever 11k. curator walked over to him, hit him once killing him, then walked back to the tank like nothing happened. we all had a good laugh at that.
he did it once while curator was evocating. his curse of doom crit for something like 12k and his soul fire for oever 11k. curator walked over to him, hit him once killing him, then walked back to the tank like nothing happened. we all had a good laugh at that.
the best theorycrafter for warlocks is the guy who makes the leuiler.com warlock dps spreadsheets. if you download the latest it has all 2.4 changes included and simply through using that you can see that shadow > fire. now i've done the maths, lots of other people on here have done the maths and hundreds of other locks have too. end result. shadow > fire.
Which is funny, because a lot of people have come to the opposite conclusion. It's really just going to come down to preference at the end of the day. Whichever you enjoy playing more, you'll probably do more damage with.
you know, 2.4 isn't out yet. We can guess that it's probaly soon, like a month or 2, but it isn't. Therefore, we don't know what the final changes will really be. We can guess, by what's currently on th PTR, but won't really know anything until it hits. After it hits, then we'll know.
As for me, i'm sticking to shadow, seems more warlocky too me. I'd stay Affliction through T6 if my guild needs me too, I like Affliction the best, it seems the most like a warlock to me.
As for me, i'm sticking to shadow, seems more warlocky too me. I'd stay Affliction through T6 if my guild needs me too, I like Affliction the best, it seems the most like a warlock to me.
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his curse of doom crit for something like 12k
Curse of doom can't crit!
Anyway, it's not always which provides the most dps for yourself. By going shadow, you're not only benefitting yourself with ISB, you're benefitting all the other warlocks, who should also have ISB. It also benefits all shadow priests, and by benefitting the shadow priests you're benefitting those in their group, which will help the raid overall.
Curse of Doom can't crit?!?!
Mine bloody does!
Mine bloody does!
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Inoperante wrote:
Curse of Doom can't crit?!?!
Mine bloody does!
Mine bloody does!
Mine doesn't (check wowwiki )
but that doesn't mean it can't do a hell of damage. I believe my highest Doom damage was 16k on Curator, but that is using the amplify curse (which would be similar to a crit) and trinket.
Man, if that was a "normal" hit, imagine it being able to crit ;D
I had to respec, because I lost a bunch of +damage since the patch. Before, I did not need Fel Intellect because I liked having points in Improved Voidwalker and the healthstone one. That changed, just so I did not fall beihind in DPS.
Just wondering..how exactly do you manage to get a 16k Doom?
trinket/proc/shaman/ISB. any of those combinations can easily lead to a 16k CoD. and CoD can't crit. the reason people BELIEVE it can is because due to the high number it takes priority over the other figures, generally larger, so looking like a crit.
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On netherspite, I did a 24k Curse of doom, I was fully buffed with flask (quick badge run), 2part tier 4 buff, damage food and ele shaman, with a trinket and blood fury of course. I was at about 1700 shadow damage with the last tick of curator's blue beam, and I used an amplified curse of doom.
My Netherspite max was 45k for a CoD. 24k on Magtheridon, too. That takes timing.
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with amp curse my cod can hit for 26k on curator.
If CoD can't crit (and I believe you, my peers), then surely on the same boss, with NO changes to buffs or gear or anything like that it would hit for the same amount each time?
Yet I've never seen my CoD hit for the same, even running Slabs over and over with the same PuG.
And my SCT has outputted it as a crit sometimes...and sometimes not.
So wtf is going on?!
Yet I've never seen my CoD hit for the same, even running Slabs over and over with the same PuG.
And my SCT has outputted it as a crit sometimes...and sometimes not.
So wtf is going on?!
There are so many variables that you aren't taking into consideration. Things like a few points of spellpower from gear, buffs, totems, etc., will all have a huge effect on CoD. ISB, Shadow weaving (especially in cases where it's only partially reapplied), Malediction, etc. also play a huge part. Also, partial resists to damage (from the 15 shadow resistance you'll never overcome) come into effect at times. If SCT is giving you a crit read out then you need a new SCT. If you parse log read outs you'll see pretty consistent numbers out of CoD.
Particl resist is probably the answer to the day I'm thinking of - cheers Loki.
As for SCT, since 2.4 its doing things I dont want it to and not doing things I do...so yes, I need a new one!
As for SCT, since 2.4 its doing things I dont want it to and not doing things I do...so yes, I need a new one!
CoD can't crit. simple as. read your combat logs :P
What? Research something WoW related that isn't a q or an instance?
Madness, I tell you, MADNESS!
Madness, I tell you, MADNESS!
no one cares how hard you hit for with CoD (32k xD) and it cannot crit.
by doing the most basic of dps tests....Dr. Boom shadow still seems to put out a fair bit mroe than fire.
now that sp's cannot rob our imp sb debuff its become ever better
by doing the most basic of dps tests....Dr. Boom shadow still seems to put out a fair bit mroe than fire.
now that sp's cannot rob our imp sb debuff its become ever better
Spriests CAN still rob our ISB... you do know the whole "decrease isb to 15% and make it applicable to only that lock" patch note was one of the fakes ones right? :P
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