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#1 Mar 17 2008 at 8:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Seriously worth it?

I have a green ravager I've had since 63, and the thing can just not hold aggro. Obviously, I don't want to have to wait to engage a mob. Pfffft. That's for suckers. Straight to a steady shot rotation, usually start before the pet gets there.

Seriously though. I would like to know if getting a boar to 70 from 60 would actually be worth it, and how many hours it could consume. /gulp. A simple yes or no from people who have tried both ravagers and boars with any estimation on the time it would take.
#2 Mar 17 2008 at 11:35 PM Rating: Decent
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Boars have a high threat spike at the beginning of fights wich should help it hold aggro for the rest of the fight.
#3 Mar 17 2008 at 11:53 PM Rating: Decent
I would like a boar, not enough to level one from 60 though. Of the three pets I use (Rading: kitty, Fun: wolf, Farming: Owl) the Owl is where its at. Screech along with growl seems to work fairly well.
#4 Mar 18 2008 at 12:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Just bring him to raids an instances, sure you will have reduced dps but it will level faster.
#5 Mar 18 2008 at 12:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Darigraz wrote:
Just bring him to raids an instances, sure you will have reduced dps but it will level faster.
NO!
Raids is not the place to bring your leveling pet, EVER.
It will miss a lot more, and as BM that means you just seriously gimped your damage output, in a 5-man you can get away with that, in a raid i would kick you instantly if you bring an underleveled pet.
#6 Mar 18 2008 at 1:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Aethien wrote:
Darigraz wrote:
Just bring him to raids an instances, sure you will have reduced dps but it will level faster.
NO!
Raids is not the place to bring your leveling pet, EVER.
It will miss a lot more, and as BM that means you just seriously gimped your damage output, in a 5-man you can get away with that, in a raid i would kick you instantly if you bring an underleveled pet.


Not to mention your pet just.wont.level. I made the mistake of taking my ravager into Kara when it was level 68. My raid leader was fine with it, since he and I both thought that it would level really fast (and we had Kara on farm), but after a full clear it gained maybe half a bar of exp... and I went from my normal 1st or close 2nd place on the damage meter down to 4th. It was a nightmare.
#7 Mar 18 2008 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
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baveux wrote:
Seriously though. I would like to know if getting a boar to 70 from 60 would actually be worth it, and how many hours it could consume. /gulp. A simple yes or no from people who have tried both ravagers and boars with any estimation on the time it would take.

I'm told charge can be just as good at 70 as it is in lower levels so, for me at least, I would say it's worth it but there will be many hours spent doing so.
#8 Mar 18 2008 at 7:40 AM Rating: Decent
Are you giving your pet time to build aggro or are you starting off with strong attacks right from the beginning? Heck I can pull aggro off a good warrior if I start out with my strongest stuff the instant the fight starts. I personally use a ravager (best raid dps pet ftw, plus it changes its skin!) and if I go all out, I pull threat almost instantly (I use omen so I can watch his and my threat). If its a fight I want to dps hard on, I usually give him a few seconds to sit there and build aggro, then I go to town. You gotta remember, the pet taunt is not a true taunt, its a static threat boost onto the mob. No matter what pet you have, if you go as hard as you can at the beginning, you'll pull it off your pet.
#9 Mar 18 2008 at 9:13 AM Rating: Good
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Dilbrt wrote:
Are you giving your pet time to build aggro or are you starting off with strong attacks right from the beginning? Heck I can pull aggro off a good warrior if I start out with my strongest stuff the instant the fight starts. I personally use a ravager (best raid dps pet ftw, plus it changes its skin!) and if I go all out, I pull threat almost instantly (I use omen so I can watch his and my threat). If its a fight I want to dps hard on, I usually give him a few seconds to sit there and build aggro, then I go to town. You gotta remember, the pet taunt is not a true taunt, its a static threat boost onto the mob. No matter what pet you have, if you go as hard as you can at the beginning, you'll pull it off your pet.

I don't know about the OP but I have similar issues and no I don't go all out. Sometimes kitty or ravy do a decent job of generating hate but often I end up either riding right on the hate line or have to turn around so I don't cross it. If it still works like it did at lower levels, Charge can generate like 3k+ on omen and that's just the boar's first move. I always used to worry that omen didn't process charge correctly because that is just an insane amount of hate to generate on an opening move but I could sure let loose a lot more with that boar then any of the others. It would take kitty or ravy a while to create that much hate. Other pets should probably be buffed a bit as hate generation goes. Growl alone just doesn't seem to cut it.

It really doesn't matter a whole lot if you are in groups at 70 since you will likely have another player tanking and your pet would probably be there for additional DD but for solo it seems that the pet doesn't scale with the additional damage that the hunter may put out. I guess what's the point of being able to do a lot of damage if you are standing with your back to the mob most of the time so you don't end up tanking.
#10 Mar 18 2008 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I really like my boar. Oink!
That threat spike at the beginning from charge greatly helps me avoid pulling aggro off solo mobs. Its not a panacea but its still much nicer than any other pet on solo mobs.

If I'm fighting multiples, a carrion bird is best IMO. Since birds don't have any threat spike at the beginning, one has to start off slower with just autoshot for a while. This means your pet is going to take a good deal of damage and you'll have to heal it. Screech can prevent pulling aggro off your pet at this point and is worth a lot. The extra armor of a carrion bird over other birds will help put off that heal and minimize the risk of pulling aggro. Sure, carrion birds have a little less attack power but so what? They're for tanking non-elite multiples outdoors. They're not for running instances where you've got a real tank and want a high-end DPS pet.

I've got a cat, the ghost saber, for my instance running DPS pet. Yeah, I know the ravager is currently 'best'. However after leveling that cat all the way up from 19, I ain't getting rid of it for a little bit more damage.

Edited, Mar 18th 2008 10:50am by ItsaGaAs
#11 Mar 18 2008 at 10:34 AM Rating: Decent
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I leveled from 10-70+ as BM and loved/love it. Switched to MM/SV or SV/MM for pvp/raiding. ATM i have a ghost saver for raiding, scorpid for arenas, and am leveling a boar through heroics and dailies in prep for WotLK and lvls 70-80. Ever since a month after i hit 70, even when i was still BM, I turned off growl. Short-term kiting, or a feign when needed is all i rely on.

I think having a boar is good utility, and groups never consider my pet's dmg when discussing top dpsers anyway, so i put him on Stay, dismiss whenever we are skipping groups and have to run close by. No one minds and he soaks up the xp (in heroics, NOT raids)

(hehehe, if you wanted a little more dps from your pet, get rid of growl and train up both bite and claw/gore (can ravagers learn bite???). Talented, and with decent crit, you pet will have extra focus after claw/gore, and bite is the most focus efficient skill pets can learn.)
#12 Mar 18 2008 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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I gave up my boar for leveling after finding the like for owls. At 70 I'd have another pet for raiding, and possibly another for PvP too. For solo grinding I'd stick to the owl.

It's about play style. While leveling a pet from 60-70 isn't like leveling Humar to 70, it's useless if you don't find boars to your liking. I don't. If you do, consider it.
#13 Mar 18 2008 at 4:05 PM Rating: Decent
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Alright then. I'll try out an owl first(since it won't be a horrid 10 level grind with him). If I'm still not satisfied, I'll go get a piggly wiggly.

I definitely will have to keep my ravager though, as I almost got kicked out of a group after 1 pull because of how annoying it was for the melee in ZF.

Thanks everyone!
#14 Mar 19 2008 at 7:41 AM Rating: Good
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Utarius wrote:
I gave up my boar for leveling after finding the like for owls. At 70 I'd have another pet for raiding, and possibly another for PvP too. For solo grinding I'd stick to the owl.

What about the owl did you prefer over the boar? Was it just looks or something that you found the owl was able to do better than the boar? I do like the looks of owls more than boars but still worry I will end up facing the other direction more than I should do to poor hate generation.

Utarius wrote:
It's about play style. While leveling a pet from 60-70 isn't like leveling Humar to 70, it's useless if you don't find boars to your liking. I don't. If you do, consider it.

I used to believe that completely and still want to.. The problem with it is pathetic number of stable slots and how ungodly slow they can level at times. I prefer the looks of a cat. I really like owls as well. They get in my damned way a lot but they are probably my second favorite pet. I also like boars. I don't like the look of Ravy but he does put out good damage.

Leveling up, you can pretty much keep two pets. The third you will have to drop every time you want to learn a new ability or rank of one you already know. We have to go through such crap leveling them up and making sure they love us but then we are forced to treat them as disposable when another better one comes along. They had better add more slots when the expansion comes out because we will all need to learn new abilities as we level. Now at 70 you can safely deal with keeping 3 pets because, more than likely, you have everything you can get for them. Once the cap goes up to 80 and there are new ranks of abilities and probably even new abilities, you will have to drop at least one of your pets to learn them.
#15 Mar 19 2008 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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What I like about owls? Easy; Screech.

I've cleared out camps of a maximum of 7 mobs in it and not lost aggro once. If you give it time for 4-7 Screeches before you hit Mend Pet, all the mobs will be glued to the owl for the entire duration of the fight. Some people argue that I don't need AoE threat due to FD... but what can I say? Owls are perfect for my play style.

The reason for not picking a Carrion Bird or a Bat is mainly because of damage increases such as +7% damage (in the carrion case) and the versatility of both Screech and Claw (in the bat case). Also, partly because looks.
#16 Mar 20 2008 at 6:25 AM Rating: Decent
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My two cents worth as a fledgeling Hunter player;

Boars are awesome.

I have used Cats (cos everyone says 'get a tiger'), I've used Owls (cos everyone says 'Screech is imba') and I've used a Wolf (cos everyone says 'Furious Howl is kewl'), and none of them compare to the Boar as an aggro-holder.

The Charge maneuver and subsequent snare guarantee that the mob sticks to the boar even though you might have attacked it first, because for one second the Boar is the only target within attack range (for melee mobs). They can learn the damage spike abilities like Gore and Bite, have decent armour, and are in general a PvE dream.

Now for PvP you obviously want a cat of some description simply for Prowl and Dash if nothing else, but for a companion during the levelling process a Boar is just plain brilliant, especially if you have Hawk Eye as it will reach the mob faster and allow you to engage sooner. Those seconds add up over a good grinding session, and I dont see the wisdom in depriving yourself.

Oh, and the BEST colour boars can be found at the humble Level 3 near the Tauren starting location; they are called Battleboars and they are bright, golden yellow; second best would be the armoured ones from RFK/RFD imo, but whatever takes your fancy.

~sins
#17 Mar 20 2008 at 7:37 AM Rating: Decent
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I've got a Rotting Agam'ar from RFK that I've leveled all the way up to 70. The armored black boar skin is cool looking. However I'm seeing several of those around now. I've also changed my opinion slightly. If I had it to do all over again, I'd get a plain black one. The highest one of those is Grunter, a level 50 rare spawn in the Blasted Lands. I don't want him bad enough to level up yet another boar. <shudder>
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