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Interesting point, but I do have a question: Who decides what those minimums are for each class? For example, for Holy Paladins I've seen it listed as a minimum of +1000; elsewhere I've seen the suggested min of +1100. I was told by someone in game that I shouldn't touch Kara until I was at least +1200. Who do you listen to?

I think part of what you see happening is people, especially in pugs, are desperate to get in. Thus they are perhaps less likely to check gear/spec, etc. Or they are allowing undergeared people in in the hopes that they will be able to get some of the gear to boost them to where they should be.

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I think it's a great idea to have stickies on these forums, by the way (and we do have a couple of good ones on the Paladin forum here). Getting people to read them and follow the guidelines is the tough part, as is determining what is the actual standard. I was sensible enough to turn down requests for Kara when I only had 900+ healing, but Raid leaders also need to show good sense and judgement and not accept people in who aren't ready, unless they don't really care how far they get.


Edited, Mar 17th 2008 10:04am by meagherly

Volumes are written because of such jokes sbrubles, this could turn into a 100 post thread simply because of it.

As for requirements, I pretty much have kara-ready requirements for each spec in the FAQ. Aside from the FAQ I'm pretty sure that Dil, Tool, and Thels' have put stats that you should shoot for in their FAQ as well.

I haven't put heroic ready requirements because those are much more difficult to gauge, at least for a healer. Should it be more than kara, should it be less, that debate has been going on for a while. Tanks just need to be uncrittable and have a decent health pool (preferrably >10k unbuffed) with a good amount of avoidance stacked up. Rets.... well they just need to have decent gear, dps get to slide a lot more on their gear than healers and tanks.

FTFY.

What did you expect from a PuG raid?

Other than being keyed, there are no requirements for Kara. There are guidelines developed by players, but nothing in the game that restricts entry besides that key.

The number of people that play WoW and read Allakhazam boards are nowhere near close to each other. Having stickies with gear requirements, while great for those that care to research their class, is worthless for the vast majority who will never see the information.

I can't have been much over 1000 +healing when i did my first few heroics (and kara shortly after).

My brother was MT in both those cases and we just about got by, he was similarly geared to me (lvl 70 dungeon blues pretty much). If you know what you are doing it is absolutely doable, back then heroic badge gear was limited to FR gear, and the pvp gear available for honor was ok but not really worth investing the time in.

I think given the ease of getting quality gear today (good or bad, don't want to go into that now) has moved the goalposts in most peoples minds, kara guilds are expecting people with some combination of S1 arena gear and Badge loot, when for the first few bosses (we got up to curator pretty sharpish) you can do it in much less.

As for heroics, the lowering of the key rep and the "daily heroic" has made things hazardous for pugs. When I started I could get by with lower stats because we only did the easy heroics (BF, SP and Ramps were our favorites) and the revered rep requirement meant we had done at least 2 or 3 runs of the lvl 70 instance, and were geared appropriately. Nowadays the daily quest often sends new lvl 70s (who are just about honored as soon as they ding) to very difficult instances like Durnholde, or just plain annoying ones like Crypts, leading to a lot more failing pugs than before.