Right now I'm running me as felg (0/43/18), resto druid, frost mage, rogue, and disc priest. We're in the 2100's atm, but keep losing to teams that basically out-live our burst and when our healers are oom their warrior (they always have a warrior) just wrecks us. I'm pretty sure the problem is my fault, but I don't know what I can do to improve.
Communication isn't an issue, and neither is crowd control. We all call out what we're ccing immediately, I keep tongues up on all the healers as much as possible, and I generally stick to fearing the pally, sheep for the priest, and cyclone/root for the warrior. As soon as I tongues+fear the pally, I start shadowbolting the warlock. Once he gets to about 20%, I start to banish the pet, but by this time the pally is out of fear.
I cast maybe 1-2 banishes then re-fear the pally, when he bubbles and then starts healing, so I burn the warlock as much as I can, but it's just not enough. My felguard is on the warlock, as is our rogue, and the warrior is usually on the mage, so he can't dps. When the warrior isn't on the mage, we can usually burst enough because it allows me to just refresh tongues on the healers, but we still lost a couple games when the warrior+hunter killed my pet (twice) and the warlock was sl, so I wasted maybe 10 seconds trying to banish but failed every time (I realize that was a mistake now).
For those who don't feel like reading all that... What can I do differently in 5v5 as felguard to help the burst and hinder the healers?
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IMO, you need to pick up a warrior for MS, having a rogue stacking wound poison just isn't going to cut it on some teams.
with 3 people + ms hitting any target, regardless if the pally is cc'd or not the target should drop, end of story. Personally I can't believe that 1. your being allowed to spam shadowbolts, and 2. you dont have instant corruption. Who are they attacking while your shadowbolting? If you could keep 3 dots on every single target, and have your mage/rogue focus on the lock, eventually the pally will have to heal someone else besides the lock, and thats when he'll drop.
What is the makeup of the team your having trouble with? Warrior, Lock (sl/sl), pally and hunter, whats the last? Mage? I don't think I quite understood that part.
I would suggest you cc the pally, dot the locks' pet, have your rogue burn it down, force him to burn fel dom., and then do it again. You said yourself you lost a few games because your pet died, just return the favor :)
fear the pally so he cant cleanse, have your druid cyclone/root the warrior, and mage sheep lock while you kill his pet. Now heres the fun part, that I wouldn't suggest trying haha. after you kill the locks pet, if he is still sheeped, put CoT on him and tell your rogue to hold off on the stunlock until the lock puts up fel dom. You can keep him stunlocked/feared/sheeped until the fel dom wears off, and he never gets to resummon his pet. The downside to that is you have to be really, really quick, and pretty much be ignoring the pally/hunter in order to catch it. If he does get his pet out, just burn it down again.
Try to avoid banishing a warlocks pet, unless your healer is trying to get away to drink. Far better to dot and kill it.
with 3 people + ms hitting any target, regardless if the pally is cc'd or not the target should drop, end of story. Personally I can't believe that 1. your being allowed to spam shadowbolts, and 2. you dont have instant corruption. Who are they attacking while your shadowbolting? If you could keep 3 dots on every single target, and have your mage/rogue focus on the lock, eventually the pally will have to heal someone else besides the lock, and thats when he'll drop.
What is the makeup of the team your having trouble with? Warrior, Lock (sl/sl), pally and hunter, whats the last? Mage? I don't think I quite understood that part.
I would suggest you cc the pally, dot the locks' pet, have your rogue burn it down, force him to burn fel dom., and then do it again. You said yourself you lost a few games because your pet died, just return the favor :)
fear the pally so he cant cleanse, have your druid cyclone/root the warrior, and mage sheep lock while you kill his pet. Now heres the fun part, that I wouldn't suggest trying haha. after you kill the locks pet, if he is still sheeped, put CoT on him and tell your rogue to hold off on the stunlock until the lock puts up fel dom. You can keep him stunlocked/feared/sheeped until the fel dom wears off, and he never gets to resummon his pet. The downside to that is you have to be really, really quick, and pretty much be ignoring the pally/hunter in order to catch it. If he does get his pet out, just burn it down again.
Try to avoid banishing a warlocks pet, unless your healer is trying to get away to drink. Far better to dot and kill it.
The reason we don't have a warrior is for the cc. We start out by sapping a target, and if necessary we have blind, and the stunlock+kick prevents the warlock from doing much. Yes, wound poison stacking isn't as effective, but we have a cc team and it works.
We don't have 3 people hitting the warlock though. They almost always go after the mage, so he has to play defensively, meaning I have to do two jobs to pick up the slack. When the other team is attacking me, that's great. It lets me do my job (tongues the healers and keep it up), and it lets our mage do his job (polymorph+burning the warlock). Now that I think about it, I don't remember getting PI, but that could have been me not seeing it.
The reason I don't have instant corruption is because we're a cc team. If I corruption everyone, that makes polymorph and blind not work, and that screws the team over. I can spam shadowbolts because they're on our mage, so they're not worrying about me.
The teams vary a bit, but they always had an elemental shaman, warlock (either felg+corr or sl/sl), and a warrior. They usually had a priest and I know one of the teams had a hunter (that was the only team with a sl/sl lock as well). It's not a specific make-up we're having trouble with, it's that our burst is being outlasted, and once our healers are oom (since we don't have a pally it's easier), the ele shaman and/or warrior tear us up.
Thanks for the tip, I'll suggest we split dps next time (rogue on lock so it can't fear and me or the mage on the demon). The reason I banished it (or tried to) was because I had feared+tongued the pally, the warlock was at maybe 30%, so if I had banished it the warlock would have dropped. Unfortunately, the felhunter resisted 18,000 times... >.<
I don't think that would work, because the priest is still out there and able to dispel. Our usual strat is fear the pally, sheep the priest, and have our druid play with the warrior. And I'm sure with tongues, a rogue, and my felguard beating on the warlock, unless some kind of cc happens, the warlock won't be getting another felhunter/felguard out, and even if we did your suggestion, the cc would have prevented it anyway.
Edited, Mar 16th 2008 5:36pm by Miscelaneous
We don't have 3 people hitting the warlock though. They almost always go after the mage, so he has to play defensively, meaning I have to do two jobs to pick up the slack. When the other team is attacking me, that's great. It lets me do my job (tongues the healers and keep it up), and it lets our mage do his job (polymorph+burning the warlock). Now that I think about it, I don't remember getting PI, but that could have been me not seeing it.
The reason I don't have instant corruption is because we're a cc team. If I corruption everyone, that makes polymorph and blind not work, and that screws the team over. I can spam shadowbolts because they're on our mage, so they're not worrying about me.
The teams vary a bit, but they always had an elemental shaman, warlock (either felg+corr or sl/sl), and a warrior. They usually had a priest and I know one of the teams had a hunter (that was the only team with a sl/sl lock as well). It's not a specific make-up we're having trouble with, it's that our burst is being outlasted, and once our healers are oom (since we don't have a pally it's easier), the ele shaman and/or warrior tear us up.
Thanks for the tip, I'll suggest we split dps next time (rogue on lock so it can't fear and me or the mage on the demon). The reason I banished it (or tried to) was because I had feared+tongued the pally, the warlock was at maybe 30%, so if I had banished it the warlock would have dropped. Unfortunately, the felhunter resisted 18,000 times... >.<
I don't think that would work, because the priest is still out there and able to dispel. Our usual strat is fear the pally, sheep the priest, and have our druid play with the warrior. And I'm sure with tongues, a rogue, and my felguard beating on the warlock, unless some kind of cc happens, the warlock won't be getting another felhunter/felguard out, and even if we did your suggestion, the cc would have prevented it anyway.
Edited, Mar 16th 2008 5:36pm by Miscelaneous
Hm, well if you need more burst from a mage/lock/rogue team.....I really don't know what to tell you, its a good cc comp like you said, and probably the 2nd/3rd best burst comp. The only classes that would provide better dps would be an ele shammy, which you cant use, and a warrior benefiting from wf.
I guess you could try fearing the pally, and have your druid swap from the warrior to the priest when you try and burn down the lock? Thats going to leave their warrior free though, which could be potentially problematic. Or at least save your felguards intercept for a timely interrupt on the priest while your burning the lock, but I'm 99% sure you already do that. I really don't know what to tell you. perhaps your rogue needs to spec for slightly better dps? what spec is he, if he's shadowstep ask him to try mutilate (if he has the gear for it).
I guess you could try fearing the pally, and have your druid swap from the warrior to the priest when you try and burn down the lock? Thats going to leave their warrior free though, which could be potentially problematic. Or at least save your felguards intercept for a timely interrupt on the priest while your burning the lock, but I'm 99% sure you already do that. I really don't know what to tell you. perhaps your rogue needs to spec for slightly better dps? what spec is he, if he's shadowstep ask him to try mutilate (if he has the gear for it).
I'm pretty sure the comp isn't going to change, we're all good friends and we don't have any alts that could be substituted.
Well... I guess that 1% won! I've been auto-intercepting (mostly because I'm lazy, but also because they invited me after they climbed to the 2.1k bracket and I've done maybe 40 or so games as felguard in 5v5...ever), but I'll keep that in mind. I'll move proximo to the center of my screen so I can target the priest easier.
I don't know what spec my rogue is, but I think with the split dps and me intercepting the priest it should work out, haven't gotten a chance to test it out yet though.
Well... I guess that 1% won! I've been auto-intercepting (mostly because I'm lazy, but also because they invited me after they climbed to the 2.1k bracket and I've done maybe 40 or so games as felguard in 5v5...ever), but I'll keep that in mind. I'll move proximo to the center of my screen so I can target the priest easier.
I don't know what spec my rogue is, but I think with the split dps and me intercepting the priest it should work out, haven't gotten a chance to test it out yet though.
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