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#27 Mar 17 2008 at 7:32 PM Rating: Decent
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really? never really checked, just figured since i was dying my gear was taking a hit... that's awesome though if it doesn't.


It's just like a a PvP death: no durability loss.


Ya, you're technically being killed by a player: I use this, or the ever amusing lifetap+hellfire routine when a pull goes horribly wrong....or I wanna deny somebody an HK. I can vouch that neither cause the 10% durability on death, but if you repeatedly Hellfire yourself to death (25 times o r so) you will see your gear take a minor hit....I assume DI is the same.
#28 Mar 17 2008 at 10:25 PM Rating: Decent
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really? never really checked, just figured since i was dying my gear was taking a hit... that's awesome though if it doesn't.


It's just like a a PvP death: no durability loss.


Ya, you're technically being killed by a player: I use this, or the ever amusing lifetap+hellfire routine when a pull goes horribly wrong....or I wanna deny somebody an HK. I can vouch that neither cause the 10% durability on death, but if you repeatedly Hellfire yourself to death (25 times o r so) you will see your gear take a minor hit....I assume DI is the same.


But seriously, who is going to DI that often? Unless you keep an extremely detailed record to decimal points the game does not give you, not gonna see a hit :) I mean, it's an hour CD, so 25 times would take 25 hours. Pretty lofty goal ;)
#29REDACTED, Posted: Mar 18 2008 at 1:38 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Every paladin who isn't a moron will get oRA2 and enable Cooldown Monitor so they can see when wipe-save abilities (such as DI, soustones, etc) are on cooldown for other party/raid members and use it accordingly to save lots of running.
#30 Mar 18 2008 at 5:20 AM Rating: Good
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SideLabel wrote:
Bloody useless paladins you guys are.


If a Paladin is getting into groups where they have to DI every CD ... it's not the Paladin who is useless. Or if it is the Paladin, it's for insufficient heals/tanking and nothing to do with their frequency of using DI. Nice try troll, but I give this a 0/5.

Edited, Mar 18th 2008 6:21am by Maulgak
#31 Mar 18 2008 at 8:16 AM Rating: Default
Pally love brotha!

As said above our pally's usually only DI each other. Just because inside we all know we ARE the superior class, and the only ones worth saving :)
#32 Mar 18 2008 at 4:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Once during AB I DI'd a Warrior while guarding the flag. 6 Allies sat there and beat on him, thinking he was just normal bubbled, up until we all ressed and had one or two others come and back us up. So yes. It IS useful in BGs when the person you're DI'ing knows what you're about to do.
#33 Mar 19 2008 at 2:02 AM Rating: Default
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If a Paladin is getting into groups where they have to DI every CD ... it's not the Paladin who is useless. Or if it is the Paladin, it's for insufficient heals/tanking and nothing to do with their frequency of using DI. Nice try troll, but I give this a 0/5.


Since when is sincerity trolling? You scenario the worst PuG possible and state the obvious that it isn't the paladins fault, and then call me a troll? If the PuG is in such a horrible state, then why should the paladin not do his best and use the DI cd every chance he gets to save running, time, and frustration?

Secondly, with an hour cooldown, you get, at most, one chance to use DI if the group is decent. If a paladin has the chance to use the DI as a wipe saver once but doesn't, that's just slacking.

The fact is that paladins that don't bother using DI when all other wipe preventon methods are used up are slacking (barring any unfortunate circumstances as there being no one that can resurrect in range, being out of range of any one at all, etc, etc). To be able to "not slack" , the paladin needs to be aware of what other wipe-savers are on cooldown, if any. Situational awareness comes as a job requirement as a healer, and it definitly applies to paladins. It has the longest cooldown of any wipe-save ability, and thus it places extra responsibility on the paladin to use it wisely. And it should be used.

So call me a troll if you like, but the truth is that DI should be used as a wipe-preventer when possible (all the other wipe-saving abiilites are on cd being the right context to use it in). If it's not being used when it could be used, then it's costing other people time, and possiblity frustration. In the end DI is the same as a Soulstone.

So yes, if a paladin doesn't use it to save a wipe in a group/instance, they are slacking.
#34 Mar 19 2008 at 2:14 AM Rating: Good
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Kuresta wrote:
Pally love brotha!

As said above our pally's usually only DI each other. Just because inside we all know we ARE the superior class, and the only ones worth saving :)


I take it you're a member of the paladin version of the Klan? "Light power!" and all that?
#35 Mar 19 2008 at 3:55 AM Rating: Good
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SideLabel wrote:
Since when is sincerity trolling? You scenario the worst PuG possible and state the obvious that it isn't the paladins fault, and then call me a troll? If the PuG is in such a horrible state, then why should the paladin not do his best and use the DI cd every chance he gets to save running, time, and frustration?


Pardon me for taking offense to being called "useless" and considering name calling a form of trolling /sarcasm off

And if a PuG (or any group) is in such a horrible state, no amount of DI usage would make it any better. Not one person here has said it shouldn't be used as you are implying though.

SideLabel wrote:
Secondly, with an hour cooldown, you get, at most, one chance to use DI if the group is decent. If a paladin has the chance to use the DI as a wipe saver once but doesn't, that's just slacking.


OMG, what a novel idea. Again, no one has said it shouldn't be used to prevent a wipe. I fail to see where this argument is coming from.

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So call me a troll if you like


Ok, I will, now that I have permission. Stating the (what should be) obvious that DI should be used to prevent a wipe is fine, but popping up calling us all useless for not using DI when no one said they never do (ok, one person said they sometimes forget ... so sue them ...): uncalled for, and makes you, troll :P

Edited, Mar 19th 2008 6:50pm by Maulgak
#36 Mar 19 2008 at 6:32 AM Rating: Good
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SideLabel wrote:
Every paladin who isn't a moron doesn't need a mod to know how to use DI LOL.


and before its said, yes im a troll. bite me.

Edited, Mar 19th 2008 7:43am by KTurner
#37 Mar 20 2008 at 12:03 PM Rating: Good
Quicker way to finish a run with a crappy group is

Bubble+Hearth+Leave Group and go find another group that doesn't need a DI every hour on the hour.
#38 Mar 20 2008 at 4:39 PM Rating: Decent
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CapJack of the Seven Seas wrote:
Quicker way to finish a run with a crappy group is

Bubble+Hearth+Leave Group and go find another group that doesn't need a DI every hour on the hour.


Sums up what I was trying to say pretty well :)

Best way to save a repair bill is to not die. Best way to not die with a crap group that needs DI so much, get the hell out while you can.
#39 Mar 20 2008 at 5:07 PM Rating: Decent
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Maulgak wrote:
Best way to save a repair bill is to not die. Best way to not die with a crap group that needs DI so much, get the hell out while you can.
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WoWwiki on Righteous Defense wrote:
"A Paladin stands firm in the face of great peril. It is his duty and honour to defend those who cannot defend themselves."



The irony of what you said and what your sig says is not lost on me. xD


And yes I only DI palas, we're normally the only ones left alive!

Edited, Mar 20th 2008 9:09pm by bawbaag
#40 Mar 20 2008 at 6:49 PM Rating: Decent
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lol

I have nothing to combat that :S

Time for a new sig ...
#41 Mar 22 2008 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent
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DI is the ultimate paladin tool, it is a symbol for all we stand for. Warriors and Druids are welcome to go off and be the main tank if thats what they want, we Paladins are born to protect others. Every talent and skill we have is geared to protecting the raid (we dont taunt monsters when we see them running amok, we pull them from those we see them running to). We Paladins are protectors of what is true and good, and Devine intervention is the ultimate sacrafice for those we are sworn to protect.


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