Just started my 4th Rogue ... pleeze help me ...Follow

hello

i'd say watch some rogue pvp/pve movies !
thats will work for sure ! good luck :p

Umm...you should be able to hit lvl 6 in an hour or less...and lvl 10 in another hour. Rogues aren't really meant for 5-6 mobs at a time...but it doesn't even seem like you want to put any time into it..why even try?

Yeah .. that's the kind of answer I was looking for ... thanks :-|

Yes, I made level 6 in an hour (actually 50 minutes) and yes, level 10 will come as quickly ... I have no problem with the time it should take ... it's the difference in play style I would like some advice on .. but hey ... if that's your advice .. I'll thank you for it and move on !!



Thanks Demea, kinda like the info I was looking for ...

Well I guess I would say just tough through it and try to get to above 20 before you decide to scrap your rogue again.

I remember hitting 14 on my rogue and asked why is this so painful, but once I hit 20ish it got a lot better.

Also since it seems you MIGHT stop playing your rogue again, play him at least untill he hits a new area then stop playing but don't delete him. This way if you ever decide to come back again you can just pick your rogue up without the painful leveling experience of 1-20~.

Fantastic .. thanks all for that ... ok - I promise, I'll stop deleting my poor failed rogues ;-). I'll make sure I treat him as delicately as I knew I had to treat my mage in the early stages, and stick it out till around 20.

From what you guys will say, this should be where my views are changed dramatically.

Right, off to investigate Blade Flurry and all the other pieces of goodness mentioned. ;-)

Get a SLOW SWORD. At early levels, Blizzard does you a terrible disservice by starting you off with daggers.

Spec straight into Imp. Sinister Strike. By L12, if you have a proper level 2.6 speed green sword, you'll be slicing through mobs very quickly.

Stack on agility as much as you can even at low levels. You'll do a lot more damage and you'll find it more enjoyable.

Motivation, I do believe.

I'm leveling a rogue as I type. Lvl 14 right now. Very easy in my opinion. Gouge, backstab, sinister strike, eviserate. Get in trouble sprint. If it's not to bad hit evasion. 3 humanoid mobs, sap one. Kill the other two. It's that simple.

I'm thinking gouge is a waste of energy. Better spent with backstab or garrote from stealth or sinister strike then eviscerate. Anyways, it's easy leveling a rouge!

Hmmmm ....

Every class is different - so if you take the tactics and mindset from one class to another you will fail. Usually in a very demoralising manner.

My big mental step was actually picking up a warrior having played a rogue for a long long time. I was disappointed in how slowly it killed things, irritated because I had to chip through groups of mobs rather than just sneak up and kill the weak ones lurking on their own at the back and it took a long time to get over the inability of the warrior to get away from unexpected adds.

Which is another way of saying that rogues pick their own fights, slaughter things when they do and run away when things go wrong.

As has been said all ready it's a matter of mindset. Don't just think of a rogue as a DPS king because that is not how you grind the levels. When you have a tank to hide behind you can go full throttle and blow the damage meters away - until then just rejoice in being a sneaky, amoral and brutal killer.

I took my warrior to level 70 and realised that I was spending most of my time as a sub-par rogue - DW fury/arms DPS .... so I picked my rogue up again and haven't looked back. (And yes, if I spent a huge amount of time and effort I could make a DPS warrior to be feared by every mob .. I still couldn't CC and my repair bills would make NASA wince).

My 2 cents.

Gouge is fantastic, tho i dont really reccomend it as an opener, yes it makes it easier to get behind the target for backstab, but you should be trying for a stealthed ambush opener, and yes get the slowest possible sword you can 2.6-2.8 the reason is id you look at a 2.0 sword and a 2.6 sword with the same dps, the per swing damage of the slower sword is higher, (eg 45-71 on a 2.0 vs 61-94 on a 2.6) because each individual swing does extra damage, every Sinister strike, eviscerate etc will do more damage, and they arent affected by weapon speed because they are instant extra attacks, therefore if you have the energy available you get a free swing + dmg bonus,

once you get poisons (lvl 20), you want the fastest possible weapon in your offhand (preferably 1.3-1.5 speed) because the faster it is, the more often your offhand poison will stick, and if its something like instant poison, its a pure increase to dps, also further into combat talent spec, you get combat potency, which has a chance to give extra energy on a successful offhand attack, meaning you get more Sinister strikes in, which gets you closer to that 5point eviscerate that does mondo damage

as soon as you learn kick and shiv, get used to using them, look at alternative keybindings, i found myself much more responsive when i started using my mousewheel as an action tool (mouse wheel up = gouge, wheel down = Cloak of Shadows, Shift+whl up = Kick, shift+whl down = blind

instead of dragging blind out of your powers book, write a macro like this

/cast [target=mouseover] Blind

that way, if your targeting one target, you can blind another one by hovering the cursor over him and pressing shift+mouse wheel down, and go back to busting on your current target,

get to know kick, its your best friend, as a warrior you may let casters fire off on you cause you have the hp to take it, but your fragile as a rogue, and turn enemy cast bars on in the interface menu, so you know when that caster is firing a fireball at you, or that healer is charging up a heal, as soon as you see it, kick to interupt, its a cheap ability energy wise, if you kick interupt a heal, they cant heal again for 5 seconds, in bg, thats a deathsentence for a priest being whailed on.

the point of these little tips, sure rogues can be a dps king, but the reason people enjoy rogues, is they fight dirty, they can carve through things when the time is right, but when you run into a fight, and run out again with barely a scratch and a furious priest youve left dead that didnt get a single heal off, you will chuckle to yourself.

I only wish someone told me these points when i was lvl 10, i would have found the lower to mid levels even more enjoyable

Gouge can be used to set up backstab if you're using a dagger (untalented SS with a dagger is a waste of energy), which is a viable option at that level. More importantly though, Gouge gives an extra interrupt against casters. Definitely not a waste of energy if used properly.

Also, just to nitpick, Eviscerate damage doesn't depend on your weapon.

OP: At low levels with rogue, it's very important to pick the right targets. Fight casters, you'll kill them insanely fast if you can get one on one. As you move through levels, you'll have more and more options open up ... by level 70 you pretty much never die, and blow through most mobs like they're paper.

If you're combat swords, you can burn through packs of mobs with AR/Blade Flurry/Evasion, once you get them. Until then, pick your fights. You have stealth and sap. If you're leveling, set up carefully, and you can fight one mob at a time. Rogue leveling is about controlling the situation and choosing your fights, at least at low levels.

God I wanted to reach into the TV and strangle Bill Murray!!

My rogue is in the mid30s now and I sort of went through the same sort of issues sticking with it as you. Mid teens things start to get a little better and it seems to keep getting better. It does take some getting used to. My main is hunter so the idea of sneaking up on stuff is a little odd. I could send pet on one mob, ice trap another, and when needed, kite or fight a 3rd.

Rogue doesn't seem to do to well at straight up fighting more then 1 target but if you manage to sap or gouge one and go to work on another.. Well it's pretty neat.

Also, if you have ever done PVP on your other characters and run into a rogue who saps you, you know what the player on the other end must be going through. Pounding their keyboard and cussing up a storm as they just sort of sit there with their head swirling around. I haven't really reached the level yet but I remember getting jumped in PVP situations and end up stun locked the whole battle so I don't even have a chance to try to fight back (I admit that other players probably would have known what to do to help get out of it but I don't PVP much) and I bet it's pretty neat to kill a player without them really even having a chance to draw their weapon.

Edited, Mar 17th 2008 12:43pm by MrTalos