(i have posted this before, but it seems the title was not so clear, that's why I re posted)
I've recently got the right hit for raiding, I'm not a taylor but I got some nice pieces with heroic badges, kara, etc.
I'm actually using two Tier4 pieces, (shoulders+crown), having about 1050 of spelldamage, 20% crit without dev.
The goal at the moment is the head piece of void reaver, I also have those shoulders from trash mobs of the Eye (night elves blah blah), but, this is not the question, I would like you to check my stuff, Dydoe (Gnome from Shen'dralar) if you want to give me some advices.
My questions, as I'm not a taylor, I'm actually using the gladiator robe, and thinking in get the vengeful one the next week, (hydross seems to hate cloth, and if some day the robe drops, it wont be for me for first, and the next one is from vashj, or wait the 2.4, I have my 100 badges for the new robe xD) but, which arena robe should I have to get? the one with +crit or the one with +damage? There's a pair of drops that I actually want, the ruby drape of mysticant from prince and the necklace of moroes, both with hit, but those ones has no crit chance.
I'm hit capped, (using gems and some special stuff with +hit, I want those drops to replace those +hit gems for +damage), I'm asking cause I'm not sure what is the right crit chance for a destro lock, should I stop on 20+devastation? or do I have to get more? The Robe without crit has plus damage and plus stamina, and, as I have read, priority is hit>damage>crit, (hit>haste>damage>crit as on 2.4)
When people like you, Jenova, talks about shadow on raids, do you usually have shadow priests on raid? I always have to use fire instead of shadow, cause is impossible to have shadow priests on our group, in fact, we have about two priests, and the're healers, and we usually have +fire mages, and scorch helps to increase fire dps, I can crit 6 k on trash, and between 4 and 6 on bosses) that's why I don't use shadow on raids, I use it on heroics and is amazing. But, even having scorch from mages, and without shadow priests, is even better try shadows? My cycle is CoE+immolate+incinerate until immolate is ended, then again immolate, etc, never use conflagrate on bosses, just as finisher on trash.
Oh, I'm using the crescent icon as trinkete, and the nexxus horn, but the horn, even having nice crit, has a poor proc, is a good idea to farm the eye of quagmirran? or go straight for the blessings deck? I only need the 8 and 5 to complete it, and, I have farmed the crazy eye of the mob for a whole week and never dropped ¬¬ it seems that I'll complete the deck first xD (I'm not scryer, so...no other nice trinket available)
hope you can help me, feel free to check my stuff :)
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according to this post at the warlocks den, http://wowmb.net/forums/showthread.php?t=23058
Quote:
DESTRUCTION AND STATS
Commonly accepted as a Tier 6 or equivalent raiding spec.
The typical examples are listed here, the most effective of them is a shadow DS / Destro build - 0/21/40
My personal favourite is the example 3 listed there.
Spell Rotation
Shadow Bolt only.
This spec benefits the shadow damage tremendously (provided you DS a succy), the shadow damage scaling is a lot higher than fire damage. Based on that the immolate will actually reduce your overall DPS by approximately 1%.
Confraglate is generally assumed to be the worst spell in warlock's ******* when it comes to sustaining overall DPS. There are more details on that in the EJ forums, if you wish to find out more indepth info on that please check out the math listed out in the compendium i've linked at the beginning of this thread.
To even start out as a destro lock you should fulfill the first and the most important requirement - CAPPED SPELL HIT at 202. Whenever anyone goes into the math behind the 0/21/40 spec they normally assume that you're capped in terms of your spell hit. If you are not capped, and your spell hit is in 100-200 gap, you will be able to put out a higher amount of DPS being demo spec.
Now lets have a look at the value of the stats, assuming an average of 202 spell hit, 1200 shadow damage and 27% to crit (inclusive of talents) the values will look like this:
+1 shadow dmg = 0.81
+1 fire dmg = 0.00
+1 dmg = 0.81
+1 hit rating = 0.00
+1 crit rating = 0.73
+1 haste rating = 0.77
Which translates into:
SPELL DMG > SPELL HASTE > SPELL CRIT
Spell damage is more valuable than anything else simply because the spell damage scaling coefficient for 0/21/40 spec is mad - 105.7% (according to EJ).
However there is an interesting factor to take in consideration here - there is a spell damage barrier, after which the value of the stats changes order. This is a very volatile number to determine and varies in different circumstances.
- If you are in the raid, and there are other warlocks with the ISB debuff, the breaking point will be 1350 spell damage.
- If you are soloing / doing 5 men and you are the only ISB debuff provider the breaking point will be at 1450-1550 spell damage.
Here's what happens:
If you are in the raid with one more warlock that provides ISB debuff and has 27% crit rating you will have:
+1 shadow dmg = 0.83
+1 fire dmg = 0.00
+1 dmg = 0.83
+1 hit rating = 0.00
+1 crit rating = 0.67
+1 haste rating = 0.85
Which translates to:
SPELL HASTE > SPELL DAMAGE > SPELL CRIT
As you can see the spell haste and spell damage changed their positions. However please do note that the actual values are very near - 0.83 and 0.85. As you go higher with your spell damage the value of spell damage will not change while the value of spell haste will increase. 1350 spell damage might sound as a very unacheivable number, however it is not your spell damage that is in consideration here, it is the FULLY RAID BUFFED SPELL DAMAGE that we are talking about. Thinks like flasks, spell dmg food, oils, totems, etc etc are all added up to your total spell damage and thus produce a number which could possibly be as high as 1500-1600 spell dmg. At which point you will benefit from spell haste quite a fair bit.
Commonly accepted as a Tier 6 or equivalent raiding spec.
The typical examples are listed here, the most effective of them is a shadow DS / Destro build - 0/21/40
My personal favourite is the example 3 listed there.
Spell Rotation
Shadow Bolt only.
This spec benefits the shadow damage tremendously (provided you DS a succy), the shadow damage scaling is a lot higher than fire damage. Based on that the immolate will actually reduce your overall DPS by approximately 1%.
Confraglate is generally assumed to be the worst spell in warlock's ******* when it comes to sustaining overall DPS. There are more details on that in the EJ forums, if you wish to find out more indepth info on that please check out the math listed out in the compendium i've linked at the beginning of this thread.
To even start out as a destro lock you should fulfill the first and the most important requirement - CAPPED SPELL HIT at 202. Whenever anyone goes into the math behind the 0/21/40 spec they normally assume that you're capped in terms of your spell hit. If you are not capped, and your spell hit is in 100-200 gap, you will be able to put out a higher amount of DPS being demo spec.
Now lets have a look at the value of the stats, assuming an average of 202 spell hit, 1200 shadow damage and 27% to crit (inclusive of talents) the values will look like this:
+1 shadow dmg = 0.81
+1 fire dmg = 0.00
+1 dmg = 0.81
+1 hit rating = 0.00
+1 crit rating = 0.73
+1 haste rating = 0.77
Which translates into:
SPELL DMG > SPELL HASTE > SPELL CRIT
Spell damage is more valuable than anything else simply because the spell damage scaling coefficient for 0/21/40 spec is mad - 105.7% (according to EJ).
However there is an interesting factor to take in consideration here - there is a spell damage barrier, after which the value of the stats changes order. This is a very volatile number to determine and varies in different circumstances.
- If you are in the raid, and there are other warlocks with the ISB debuff, the breaking point will be 1350 spell damage.
- If you are soloing / doing 5 men and you are the only ISB debuff provider the breaking point will be at 1450-1550 spell damage.
Here's what happens:
If you are in the raid with one more warlock that provides ISB debuff and has 27% crit rating you will have:
+1 shadow dmg = 0.83
+1 fire dmg = 0.00
+1 dmg = 0.83
+1 hit rating = 0.00
+1 crit rating = 0.67
+1 haste rating = 0.85
Which translates to:
SPELL HASTE > SPELL DAMAGE > SPELL CRIT
As you can see the spell haste and spell damage changed their positions. However please do note that the actual values are very near - 0.83 and 0.85. As you go higher with your spell damage the value of spell damage will not change while the value of spell haste will increase. 1350 spell damage might sound as a very unacheivable number, however it is not your spell damage that is in consideration here, it is the FULLY RAID BUFFED SPELL DAMAGE that we are talking about. Thinks like flasks, spell dmg food, oils, totems, etc etc are all added up to your total spell damage and thus produce a number which could possibly be as high as 1500-1600 spell dmg. At which point you will benefit from spell haste quite a fair bit.
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