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#1 Mar 13 2008 at 10:50 AM Rating: Good
As of right now, my 48 Shaman is enhanced with some points in Resto. Personally, I think I get enough 'in-your-face' fighting on my rogue and prefer to be further back than usual.

At first I was looking at the resto tree. I find it enjoyable when I tag along to heal stuff like SM. I've never played an actual healer before so it's quite fun for me.

And then I looked into the Elem tree. Looks like the type of fighting I'd like to do on my shaman but is it viable in solo and group play (if necessary)?

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy playing enchanced, but as I said above, I do enough of the close up combat on my rogue.

Maybe there's some sort of solid elem/resto build? I understand that even if someone doesn't spec resto they can usually be capable to heal if need be (if they're competent to do so, of course... any healer for that matter).

I've been searching through the threads and the sticky and can't seem to find what I'm looking for. Perhaps someone could link some things to enlighten me or share their vast knowledge.

Thanks for any help =)

Edit: All this typing and forgot one of the questions I was going to ask. Also, when would be a good idea for me to respec. I've been rested for god knows how long, so I'm sure I could get to 50 easily.

Perhaps this is okay?

Edited, Mar 13th 2008 3:02pm by xNocturnalSunx
#2 Mar 13 2008 at 1:48 PM Rating: Excellent
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Go for a the elemental pvp build with some small tweaks.

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#3 Mar 13 2008 at 3:55 PM Rating: Decent
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Oddly enough for being a hybrid class, hybrid builds do not work for Shaman. You either DPS as Enhancement, DPS as Elemental, or heal as Resto. There is no in-between build that is going to allow you to do any kind of respectable damage and healing at the same time. This is even further compounded once gear is taken into account.

As far as respeccing, I recommend you grind Enhancement up until you can train Water Shield (62 or 63, I forget). At that point, you're free to choose either of the two caster options and still maintain a decent solo leveling speed.
#4 Mar 13 2008 at 6:23 PM Rating: Good
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There is no in-between build that is going to allow you to do any kind of respectable damage and healing at the same time.


This is more content-driven than spec-driven.

There are many times in Heroics where if your gear doesn't totally outstrip the place offhealing is awesome (when the healer has to move, is CCed, or his HPS is outstripped by incoming DPS). It doesn't happen in typical 5-mans because incoming DPS tends to be significantly lower than a typical healer can heal, but it does have it's place in the game. It doesn't happen in raiding usually because with so many players you have a lot of people around who can heal, and are more efficient at it (which I feel is one of the many ways 25-man content creates less interesting gameplay)

That said, you don't spec or gear for hybridity. You always specialize. By the nature of gear and the way each spec works, specializing results in a modicum of hybridity. For example an ele shaman's gear will be spelldamage gear that also increases his healing spells, and he'll have 20-21 points into resto which are mainly for damage purposes but it also results in better healing capabilities (such as Nature's Swiftness)

If you want to ensure viability as a healer up through level 60, just make sure you get 5/5 Imp Healing Wave. That single talent is easily accessible and provides a significant increase to healing capability. I'd get to this spot first before worrying about those 5 points, personally, but it's up to you. (not sure but I might try to fit Eye of the Storm in there over other talents; I forget how useful it is in solo PVE...been a while since I took it.)
#5 Mar 17 2008 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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My main was a rogue, I rolled an elemental/resto shaman and haven't looked back. I didn't go enhance for the same reason, had my fill of melee, wanted to try range.

Axehelt has laid it out well. You're main job and spec is geared for dps. However, being a caster with a large mana pool and high crit can help in sticky situations. I love the elemental shaman's hybrid role. As long as your eyes aren't locked on your dps meter, you can save your group time and time again with well timed offheals on the grp.

You will do great in solo and group play as caster dps. Of course one thing we really lack is CC but our heals are the general substitute for that lack.

Respec once you hit Outlands, that is when elemental gear becomes more available.
#6 Mar 17 2008 at 8:25 PM Rating: Default
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Axehilt wrote:
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There is no in-between build that is going to allow you to do any kind of respectable damage and healing at the same time.


This is more content-driven than spec-driven.

Immaterial; whatever "drives" the effectiveness of current specs is not mutually exclusive. The current content of the game is what it is, and hybrid builds simply do not work in it.

Onogg wrote:
Axehelt has laid it out well. You're main job and spec is geared for dps. However, being a caster with a large mana pool and high crit can help in sticky situations.

On the general scale Shaman have an extremely shallow mana pool. The smallest, actually, compared to all the other classes/specs that actually gear for mana. Your crit helps keep that mana pool going if you're Elemental and slinging LB's, but it'll tank like an M1 Abrams if you start healing full-tilt.

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I love the elemental shaman's hybrid role. As long as your eyes aren't locked on your dps meter, you can save your group time and time again with well timed offheals on the grp.

There is no "hybrid role" for Shaman outside of five-man content. Which, to be fair, I will admit is a substantial portion of the game, but once you progress to heroics, ten-man, and 25-man content, there is zero demand for "hybrid roles". If an Elemental Shaman starts healing, a wipe is probably coming up in PvE or a loss in PvP.

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You will do great in solo and group play as caster dps. Of course one thing we really lack is CC but our heals are the general substitute for that lack.

No, it's not. Again, past normal five-man content, if you're not specced to heal, your heals blow, and when a DPS spec from a hybrid class capable of healing starts to do so, it's usually a very, very bad sign. And that goes for PvP as well as PvE. I won't get into the merits of whether or not Shaman need CC here, but...

Bottom line, do not go into any Shaman spec thinking you're going to be a jack-of-all-trades-but-master-of-none. If you do that, the only thing you're going to be the master of is not getting party invites.

Edited, Mar 18th 2008 12:25am by Gaudion
#7 Mar 20 2008 at 4:55 AM Rating: Good
Okay, thanks for all of the responses. Looks like around 58-60 is when I (c)should respec. And looks like elemental with some points on resto (any left overs at least) is the way to go. Got my shammy up to 51 (few bars from 52) last night. So I'm getting there.

Thanks for all the help!
#8 Apr 06 2008 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Go for a the elemental pvp build with some small tweaks.

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One quick question, why no Totemic Focus? Not taking a stab here, just genuinely curious.
#9 Apr 07 2008 at 5:09 AM Rating: Decent


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One quick question, why no Totemic Focus? Not taking a stab here, just genuinely curious.


For elemental, you dont really bring anything to a raid that a resto shaman cant do better other than ToW.

But he's focusing on leveling right now so I'd suggest taking those at 70.
#10 Apr 07 2008 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
Draeneipally wrote:

But She's focusing on leveling right now so I'd suggest taking those at 70.


FTFY =)

I'm at 56 right now (been slacking off in levelling because I haven't been on as much as I used to). But I've been reading things, and resto has been looking more and more appealing as of late. Still haven't respecced though, but we'll see once I'm hitting outlands.
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