Hi,
I need some advice. Though not new to WoW, I just started a Mage (lvl 21)and am finding it a lot of fun to do. But, to the crux of my problem, I need a good leveling build. I have read, many times, that Frost is the preferred talent tree for leveling...though there is some debate on that issue.
Would wiser Mages than I give me some insight as to a decent build to work with. Right now, I am planning on this 10/0/51 setup (http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=of0VZZVVGIobxsiVt). I apologize also....I can't get the link to work.
Please remember that I am very much a solo player, can't stand instances, much prefer to quest instead of grind, and don't plan to enter a Battleground until 70th. Thanks in advance.
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I can't really help too much as I'm only a level 36 at the moment myself, but just wanted to say, I'm speccing into fire and seem to do really well so far with soloing. Usually killing the mob before they get to me, and not too much downtime.
Like I said, I'm not too experienced with mages especially with frost or arcane (although as you've pointed out, there are people out there that say frost is the way to go with levelling). But I figured I'd give you an idea on how fire has worked for me so far and I'm loving it =).
I do have a level 65 frost mage friend that loves frost and levelled all the way with that spec. She did pretty well keeping up with my combat swords rogue. Sure she may have been behind a few bars or so, but she still levelled the same.
Just some more food for thought. Perhaps a more experienced (or as you said, wiser) mages could help you out more =D
Like I said, I'm not too experienced with mages especially with frost or arcane (although as you've pointed out, there are people out there that say frost is the way to go with levelling). But I figured I'd give you an idea on how fire has worked for me so far and I'm loving it =).
I do have a level 65 frost mage friend that loves frost and levelled all the way with that spec. She did pretty well keeping up with my combat swords rogue. Sure she may have been behind a few bars or so, but she still levelled the same.
Just some more food for thought. Perhaps a more experienced (or as you said, wiser) mages could help you out more =D
xNocturnalSunx wrote:
I'm speccing into fire and seem to do really well so far with soloing.
Same here at level 49. I really think you can level quite efficiently in any spec you want. Frost has obvious benefits, but there are also really useful talents for solo play, like Impact, in the Fire tree that just don't show up in most cookie-cutter PVE builds because they aren't that useful in groups.
I play almost exclusively solo with most of my characters and I really think it's less a matter of spec as a matter of choosing your leveling talents wisely. The standard PVE builds are assuming you will be grouping. If that's not the case, you need to modify them to suit your needs.
I solo'd as fire and did fine till mid 50s. I then switched - mostly just to learn frost. I love frost now. Much more surviable...
You need to get Ice Barrier. It's a great shield and will save you.
When soloing - look for 3 things...
1. Survivability
2. Damage output
3. Mana Efficiency
Fire and Arcane are best at number 2
Frost is best at 1 and 3
Any build is functional, some builds are just more functional.
You need to get Ice Barrier. It's a great shield and will save you.
When soloing - look for 3 things...
1. Survivability
2. Damage output
3. Mana Efficiency
Fire and Arcane are best at number 2
Frost is best at 1 and 3
Any build is functional, some builds are just more functional.
Borsuk wrote:
I solo'd as fire and did fine till mid 50s. I then switched - mostly just to learn frost. I love frost now. Much more surviable...
You need to get Ice Barrier. It's a great shield and will save you.
When soloing - look for 3 things...
1. Survivability
2. Damage output
3. Mana Efficiency
Fire and Arcane are best at number 2
Frost is best at 1 and 3
Any build is functional, some builds are just more functional.
You need to get Ice Barrier. It's a great shield and will save you.
When soloing - look for 3 things...
1. Survivability
2. Damage output
3. Mana Efficiency
Fire and Arcane are best at number 2
Frost is best at 1 and 3
Any build is functional, some builds are just more functional.
Apparently, once you get Combustion and Master of Elements, the efficiency of fire isn't that bad during leveling even in Azeroth.
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Apparently, once you get Combustion and Master of Elements, the efficiency of fire isn't that bad during leveling even in Azeroth.
That could be argued, but I was speaking more to the relative efficiency of Frost VS the other schools. All builds are pretty functional. I came from FFXI where you just had to have certain sub-jobs or you really got hurt. With Mage - if you want to run around Azeroth fully PVP geared, Arcane Spec, and run 5 mans - that's totally possible. You won't be the most efficient mage, but it doesn't mean it won't work.
I personally switched to frost because I wanted to learn it, but I also noticed that I needed to start every pull with 80% or Better Mana. With Frost - I can pull an "At Level" mob at 20% mana - worst case (adds) I drop a Gem, Call Water Elemental - then he finishes the job. I can literally open a fight with Frost Bolt, if I get lucky and he's frozen - I can spam 4 lvl 1 Frostbolts - have him fully loaded with 5 stacks of winter's Chill. By the time he gets to me - Nova, Run, Bolt. Crit, Crit - dead.
With fire - there's no slowing the mob down. I found that I couldn't really (Safely) pull with 50% mana. The possibility of an add would wipe me.
Borsuk wrote:
With fire - there's no slowing the mob down. I found that I couldn't really (Safely) pull with 50% mana. The possibility of an add would wipe me.
Seriously? At what level? I don't have that problem with fire at all, but I'm level 49 so maybe it gets worse? I can see Hellfire being, well, hellish for a fire mage if I go over there right at 58.
I pull with maybe 25% mana all the time. I don't need more than that to kill one yellow mob. If I get an add I can gem/pot if necessary. I rarely die except in Un'Goro, where everyone always dies.
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 10:46am by teacake
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I have one problem with your build. You are not taking advantage of Ice Barrier. That by far is the most beneficial frost spell that I have. I know I'll hear "mana shield" this and "mana shield" that. However, Ice Barrier does not steal from your mana pool to protect you..
Semper Fi,
Tojone, 62 Frost Mage - Alleria
Semper Fi,
Tojone, 62 Frost Mage - Alleria
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Seriously? At what level? I don't have that problem with fire at all, but I'm level 49 so maybe it gets worse? I can see Hellfire being, well, hellish for a fire mage if I go over there right at 58.
I pull with maybe 25% mana all the time. I don't need more than that to kill one yellow mob. If I get an add I can gem/pot if necessary. I rarely die except in Un'Goro, where everyone always dies.
I pull with maybe 25% mana all the time. I don't need more than that to kill one yellow mob. If I get an add I can gem/pot if necessary. I rarely die except in Un'Goro, where everyone always dies.
I took fire to mid-50s. (I think it was 53 or 54)
I started noticing it there too. In Un'Go - I was fighting the Tyradactiles (Spell? - you know what i mean - flying dinos) The same thing happened when I got into the Plaguelands. I started to notice faster Respawn rates there - which lead to adds.
I actually spec'd back to fire after like 1 level because I didn't fully understand frost.
Then I spec'd back and have been frost from then on.
Borsuk wrote:
I started noticing it there too. In Un'Go - I was fighting the Tyradactiles (Spell? - you know what i mean - flying dinos) The same thing happened when I got into the Plaguelands. I started to notice faster Respawn rates there - which lead to adds.
Excellent! So I should be starting to suck any day now. I shall still persevere no matter what though, because, yanno, the spellfire set is just prettier.
Seriously thanks for the heads up - I'll be interested to see how it goes.
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Ok, thanks for all the info guys. I'll give it a whirl and see how it goes.
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