I have a question about the elixir and flasks that you use for tanking.
When tanking I will normally just use:
Major Agility elixir
Major Fortitude elixir (sometimes major Defense)
The only flasks that I have used so far are:
Unstable flask of the beast (in gruul's)
Flask of chromatic wonder (for solarian)
At this point the guild is currently progressing through the T5 instances. We have VR and Solarian down in TK and Lurker down in SSC.
Just wondering if you guys have a different set of elixirs/flasks that you use.
Thank you for your time.
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When tanking I go for Flask of Fortification. +500 health and +10 defense
I always use Major Agility & Fortitude. It used to be a bit expensive, but now that we are more consistently one-shotting Gruuls & VR (& Kara) it works out quite cheap. I find all the flasks pretty ordinary for tanking (shame - it could work out much cheaper).
Flask of Petrification beats all for tanking... muahahahahaahh >:)
Nuit Midril - White Mage/Scholar on Ultros
Nuit the Insane! - Retired Druid on Sentinels.
Ombre - Retired Dragoon/bard on Phoenix.
Question...which is a better Guardian elixir in terms of pure mitigation, Major Fortitude or Earthen Elixir? Based on the numbers in the descriptions I would assume Earthen Elixir, but WoW frequently introduces bizarre hidden calculations and -20 damage per hit might not actually be a flat -20.
Best as I can figure, Fortitude doesn't mitigate anything, so in terms of pure mitigation, Earthen is the better of the two.
Now, Major Defense, on the other hand, DOES mitigate some damage, in the form of increased Armor mitigation. But, it doesn't mitigate spell damage, unlike Earthen. Earthen may actually be the better of the two overall because of this. Unfortunately I don't have any numbers to back up this claim... *waits for somebody to post some huge complicated-looking equation*
Now, Major Defense, on the other hand, DOES mitigate some damage, in the form of increased Armor mitigation. But, it doesn't mitigate spell damage, unlike Earthen. Earthen may actually be the better of the two overall because of this. Unfortunately I don't have any numbers to back up this claim... *waits for somebody to post some huge complicated-looking equation*
Borkin wrote:
Best as I can figure, Fortitude doesn't mitigate anything, so in terms of pure mitigation, Earthen is the better of the two.
Well, Fortitude has +10 HP per 5 seconds, which is a form of mitigation, albeit very low. Presumably you're getting hit more often than once every 10 seconds (ie. two ticks of Fortitude) meaning Earthen should be the better of the two, if it's actually a flat -20 damage reduction.
But my question was really whether or not it has some sort of secret Machiavellian equation that makes it do slightly less than advertised, because I'm sure we all know how Blizzard loves things like diminishing returns, scaling, chance of failure, etc.
Well, unfortunately I can't really tell you much else about it. I'm a DPSer, so when something decides to crack me over the head, I'm not really worried about 20 damage, but rather the couple thousand damage I'm taking per hit.
I can, however, offer you this: Why would the reduction be reduced? It's only 20 damage you're mitigating per... damage-take, which isn't exactly gamebreaking. Now, were it a bit higher, such as in the 100s, then I could understand it, but it seems to me this is one of those things that even Blizz would have trouble finding a reason to ***** with. I know this probably doesn't answer your question quite the way you'd like, but I hope it helps.
Edit: Added a statement.
Edit2: Just had an interesting idea to try out... Go to your starter area and aggro some random L.1 mob while you have an Earthen Elixir active. If they hit you for 0 damage, then it's safe to say the damage reduction isn't modified by ANYTHING. But if you do take damage... well then, we have our answer.
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 3:34am by Borkin
I can, however, offer you this: Why would the reduction be reduced? It's only 20 damage you're mitigating per... damage-take, which isn't exactly gamebreaking. Now, were it a bit higher, such as in the 100s, then I could understand it, but it seems to me this is one of those things that even Blizz would have trouble finding a reason to ***** with. I know this probably doesn't answer your question quite the way you'd like, but I hope it helps.
Edit: Added a statement.
Edit2: Just had an interesting idea to try out... Go to your starter area and aggro some random L.1 mob while you have an Earthen Elixir active. If they hit you for 0 damage, then it's safe to say the damage reduction isn't modified by ANYTHING. But if you do take damage... well then, we have our answer.
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 3:34am by Borkin
I'll bet you the damage reduction is based on the level difference between you and what's hitting you. I'll have to test it now, it's an interesting question. I use earthen elixir all the time, since I end up with more ragveil than I need. It's great for solo grinding and fighting multiples weaker ennemies.
Nuit Midril - White Mage/Scholar on Ultros
Nuit the Insane! - Retired Druid on Sentinels.
Ombre - Retired Dragoon/bard on Phoenix.
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My beef with Earthen is that it sounds just like paladin's blessing of sanctuary, only 20 damage instead of 80. If it does act the same, then the damage reduction is before any mitigation at all. So if a mob would hit for 5000 with no armor and you are armor capped,
without earthen would be 5000*.25=1250.
With earthen would be (5000-20)*.25=1245.
That's a reduction of 5 instead of 20. Of course, if the mob hits every 2.5 seconds, this is the same as the +10hp5 of Major Fortitude, but Fortitude also adds 250 health.
Edit: I can't spell.
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 6:31am by FluxDensity
without earthen would be 5000*.25=1250.
With earthen would be (5000-20)*.25=1245.
That's a reduction of 5 instead of 20. Of course, if the mob hits every 2.5 seconds, this is the same as the +10hp5 of Major Fortitude, but Fortitude also adds 250 health.
Edit: I can't spell.
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 6:31am by FluxDensity
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