So my static fell apart and I decided to go ahead and level my prot pally by myself. It won't be nearly as fun without having a ready made group to run pretty much every instance in Azeroth and Outland, but it's about time I level another alt anyway.
So I've seen the ultimate pally tank spec for level 70, but what I'm still not sure of is where to put my talent points as I level.
Here's what I was thinking, let me know what you guys think.
10-14: 5/5 Redoubt
15-19: 5/5 Toughness
20-22: 3/3 Shield Spec
23-25: 3/3 Imp Righteous Fury
26-30: 5/5 Anticipation
31: Blessing of Sanctuary
32-36: 5/5 Reckoning
37-39: 3/5 One-Handed Spec
40: 1/1 Holy Shield
41-42: 2/2 Imp Holy Shield
43-44: 5/5 One-Handed Spec
45-49: 5/5 Ardent Defender
50: Avenger's Shield
51-55: 5/5 Combat Expertise
56-57: 2/2 Sacred Duty
58-62: 5/5 Benediction
63-67: 5/5 Deflection
68-70: 3/3 Pursuit of Justice
At 70 I would respec to take the 5 points out of reckoning and put them into 3/3 Precision and either 1/1 Blessing of Kings and 1/2 Spell Warding or 2/2 Spell Warding.
So what do you guys think? Am I on the right track spec wise? Is there something crucial I'm missing either on the way up or in my level 70 respec?
Something else, since pallies do so much threat through spell mechanics I was considering looking for mail and plate "of the Eagle" to stack stam and int. I figure if I am AOE grinding this is going to allow me to last a lot longer without having to rest. Is this a bad idea and I should just go with str/stam gear while levelling?
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Eagle gear is perfect for leveling. Don't need Strength as a Prot Paladin.
I'd change things around just a bit in your talent allocation though:
10-14: 5/5 Redoubt
15-19: 5/5 Toughness
20-22: 3/3 Imp Righteous Fury, will be more important then Shield Spec for soloing and tanking
23: Blessing of Kings, normally I pick up actual spells ASAP, but after Imp RF would be fine here
24-26: 3/3 Shield Specialization
27-29: Improved Hammer of Justice, this can be a nice talent leveling though you'll spec out of it at 70
30: Blessing of Sanctuary
31-35: 5/5 Reckoning
36-39: 4/5 One-Handed Spec
40: 1/1 Holy Shield
41-42: 2/2 Imp Holy Shield
43: 5/5 One-Handed Spec
44-48: 5/5 Ardent Defender
49: 1/2 Sacred Duty
50: Avenger's Shield
51: 2/2 Sacred Duty
52-56: 5/5 Combat Expertise
57-61: Benediction
62-63: Improved Judgement
64-68: Anticipation, this really won't start to be hugely important until you are level 70 which is why I put it so far down in favor of other talents
69-70: Spell Warding
Then of course go ahead and respec out to get the talents you'll be using as a 70 tank. Tried to take the most useful talents first, putting emphasis on actual spells.
I'd change things around just a bit in your talent allocation though:
10-14: 5/5 Redoubt
15-19: 5/5 Toughness
20-22: 3/3 Imp Righteous Fury, will be more important then Shield Spec for soloing and tanking
23: Blessing of Kings, normally I pick up actual spells ASAP, but after Imp RF would be fine here
24-26: 3/3 Shield Specialization
27-29: Improved Hammer of Justice, this can be a nice talent leveling though you'll spec out of it at 70
30: Blessing of Sanctuary
31-35: 5/5 Reckoning
36-39: 4/5 One-Handed Spec
40: 1/1 Holy Shield
41-42: 2/2 Imp Holy Shield
43: 5/5 One-Handed Spec
44-48: 5/5 Ardent Defender
49: 1/2 Sacred Duty
50: Avenger's Shield
51: 2/2 Sacred Duty
52-56: 5/5 Combat Expertise
57-61: Benediction
62-63: Improved Judgement
64-68: Anticipation, this really won't start to be hugely important until you are level 70 which is why I put it so far down in favor of other talents
69-70: Spell Warding
Then of course go ahead and respec out to get the talents you'll be using as a 70 tank. Tried to take the most useful talents first, putting emphasis on actual spells.
Thanks Maulgak. Thankfully my pally is only level 12 or so right now so all his points have gone into Redoubt and I haven't put any points anywhere I don't want em yet.
How important is Precision at 70?
Do pally spells/judgements have the same 16% miss rate as other casters or are they considered physical attacks?
How important is Precision at 70?
Do pally spells/judgements have the same 16% miss rate as other casters or are they considered physical attacks?
Precision can become important when you start doing 25-mans, but before then it's not really that important. It's one of those floater talents that I believe loses out until, like I said, you start doing those big raids.
Thanks Captain.
My pally will probably never get into raiding and will most likely be the 5-man and Heroic king with maybe some PUG Karas.
I would like to make him my main to take to level 80 first when WotLK comes out so others of my guildies with tanking chars can focus on either healer or DPS alts.
My pally will probably never get into raiding and will most likely be the 5-man and Heroic king with maybe some PUG Karas.
I would like to make him my main to take to level 80 first when WotLK comes out so others of my guildies with tanking chars can focus on either healer or DPS alts.
imho, go ret until 70, then respec prot or holy. simple enough
If I wanted to go ret I would have asked about a ret spec.
Besides, with AOE grinding/quest mob killing as prot ret really isn't any faster.
I got my newb pally up to level 16 already and I am thoroughly enjoying the surviviability of prot.
I have only died 1 time so far and that was when one of those 21 elites in the ghostlands snuck up me.
Since I got Blessing of Wisdom, I've been using it instead of blessing of might.
I currently have about 500 HP and just over 700 mana, and I have not had to drink 1 time since I trained Blessing of Wisdom.
Fight sequence at this point pretty much goes SotCr, JotCr, SoR and swing away. The mobs are dying pretty fast and by the time they are dead my mana is full again. I throw a holy light on myself to top off my HP and am on my way to the next mob.
Besides, with AOE grinding/quest mob killing as prot ret really isn't any faster.
I got my newb pally up to level 16 already and I am thoroughly enjoying the surviviability of prot.
I have only died 1 time so far and that was when one of those 21 elites in the ghostlands snuck up me.
Since I got Blessing of Wisdom, I've been using it instead of blessing of might.
I currently have about 500 HP and just over 700 mana, and I have not had to drink 1 time since I trained Blessing of Wisdom.
Fight sequence at this point pretty much goes SotCr, JotCr, SoR and swing away. The mobs are dying pretty fast and by the time they are dead my mana is full again. I throw a holy light on myself to top off my HP and am on my way to the next mob.
Oh lord, we have a former FFXI~er don't we! Welcome!
Prot lvl 10-35 offer absolutely nothing in the way of helping you level. Survivability does not = xp, dps does. That is an inarguable fact. You can do it if you wish but it is the equivalent of leveling without a weapon, or in cloth. Well not that bad but you get the point.
35+ Prot gets Reckoning, Holy Shield and quickly becomes extremely viable for leveling. As in it isn't as slow as cold molasses like it is pre-35.
As always, despite your apparent desire to level 10-70 Prot, I would recommend going Ret 10-34, Prot 34-70, and choosing either Prot or Holy come end game, with minor changes to prot depending on where you are at end game. It is the most efficient leveling, it gives you a sense of all aspects of being a pally and helps split up the grind of leveling. I know that might not be what you want to hear but it is the best advice and honestly we can't help but speak up/
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 8:10pm by bodhisattva
Prot lvl 10-35 offer absolutely nothing in the way of helping you level. Survivability does not = xp, dps does. That is an inarguable fact. You can do it if you wish but it is the equivalent of leveling without a weapon, or in cloth. Well not that bad but you get the point.
35+ Prot gets Reckoning, Holy Shield and quickly becomes extremely viable for leveling. As in it isn't as slow as cold molasses like it is pre-35.
As always, despite your apparent desire to level 10-70 Prot, I would recommend going Ret 10-34, Prot 34-70, and choosing either Prot or Holy come end game, with minor changes to prot depending on where you are at end game. It is the most efficient leveling, it gives you a sense of all aspects of being a pally and helps split up the grind of leveling. I know that might not be what you want to hear but it is the best advice and honestly we can't help but speak up/
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 8:10pm by bodhisattva
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
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bodhisattva wrote:
Oh lord, we have a former FFXI~er don't we! Welcome!
Prot lvl 10-35 offer absolutely nothing in the way of helping you level. Survivability does not = xp, dps does. That is an inarguable fact. You can do it if you wish but it is the equivalent of leveling without a weapon, or in cloth. Well not that bad but you get the point.
35+ Prot gets Reckoning, Holy Shield and quickly becomes extremely viable for leveling. As in it isn't as slow as cold molasses like it is pre-35.
As always, despite your apparent desire to level 10-70 Prot, I would recommend going Ret 10-34, Prot 34-70, and choosing either Prot or Holy come end game, with minor changes to prot depending on where you are at end game. It is the most efficient leveling, it gives you a sense of all aspects of being a pally and helps split up the grind of leveling. I know that might not be what you want to hear but it is the best advice and honestly we can't help but speak up/
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 8:10pm by bodhisattva
Prot lvl 10-35 offer absolutely nothing in the way of helping you level. Survivability does not = xp, dps does. That is an inarguable fact. You can do it if you wish but it is the equivalent of leveling without a weapon, or in cloth. Well not that bad but you get the point.
35+ Prot gets Reckoning, Holy Shield and quickly becomes extremely viable for leveling. As in it isn't as slow as cold molasses like it is pre-35.
As always, despite your apparent desire to level 10-70 Prot, I would recommend going Ret 10-34, Prot 34-70, and choosing either Prot or Holy come end game, with minor changes to prot depending on where you are at end game. It is the most efficient leveling, it gives you a sense of all aspects of being a pally and helps split up the grind of leveling. I know that might not be what you want to hear but it is the best advice and honestly we can't help but speak up/
Edited, Mar 14th 2008 8:10pm by bodhisattva
You played FFXI too? :P
What from my post made you think I played FFXI?
Yes, I did play it for less than a year, but I have been a WoWer for over 3 years now.
I understand Ret is faster from 10-35, but I also realize once I hit level 20 with Consecrate I can try to start tanking instances. I realize a lot of time in instances like WC you end up not having a real tank, but meh, it's what I want to do.
As you can see from the sig I already have 3 70s, so there's no real rush in getting the pally to 70. I want to enjoy this journey and explore the class some since it is the class I know the least about.
As you can also see from the sig, I already have a 70 warrior so I've done the whole grab a big slow 2h and whack the mob with it. I'm not down for that again.
Yes, I know I may not be going about leveling the fastest way possible, but I'm just looking to have fun while leveling a new toon.
Yes, I did play it for less than a year, but I have been a WoWer for over 3 years now.
I understand Ret is faster from 10-35, but I also realize once I hit level 20 with Consecrate I can try to start tanking instances. I realize a lot of time in instances like WC you end up not having a real tank, but meh, it's what I want to do.
As you can see from the sig I already have 3 70s, so there's no real rush in getting the pally to 70. I want to enjoy this journey and explore the class some since it is the class I know the least about.
As you can also see from the sig, I already have a 70 warrior so I've done the whole grab a big slow 2h and whack the mob with it. I'm not down for that again.
Yes, I know I may not be going about leveling the fastest way possible, but I'm just looking to have fun while leveling a new toon.
No one uses the term Static, except for former FFXI~ers.
Bode - 100 Holy Paladin - Lightbringer
Oddly enough I got the term static from somebody in WoW.
I played FFXI for less than a year and never really got too involved with it. I think my highest level job was PLD right around level 40.
The first time I ever heard the term static was from a WoW player in-game. Chances are he was a former FFXI player, so I guess the term goes back to that.
I played FFXI for less than a year and never really got too involved with it. I think my highest level job was PLD right around level 40.
The first time I ever heard the term static was from a WoW player in-game. Chances are he was a former FFXI player, so I guess the term goes back to that.
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