heroic troubles...Follow

I am starting to wonder if it's me...

Every heroic I have ran we make it past 1 boss maybe 2 if we are lucky and get destroyed way to much even in Slave pens...

Starting to wonder if it is me and not something else. I have almost given up on running heroics but the gear there can help me more in Kara with the other guild I am running with.

I am currently doing arena to get my s3 Axe and I also want to get the S3 Leggings as it gives a nice amount of +hit and would like to get hitcapped if possible. Also the sooner I get these the sooner I can replace the leather shoulders I have been wearing with the S1 shoulders and I might get ganked less... (crosses fingers)

In all honesty though... If I replaced my leggings shoulder's and weapon with PvP rewards what is there left to get for a MM/SV hunter in Kara? WSR? I don't know but I do know that the PvP grind for gear is frustrating me lol.

Heroic Shattered Halls requires well equipped people. The others not nearly so much. I would not invite anyone to Heroic SH that still has even one green item. The other heroics can be run fine with competent people having one or at most two greens or low level blues. The above assumes gear is enchanted.

Edited, Mar 12th 2008 12:23pm by ItsaGaAs

Finally completed heroic SH last nite, beating the timer and saving the last 2 prisoners to complete that stage of the Naaru quest line (first prisoner got his head chopped off I guess), just Arc left now!

Heroic BM, at least in my experience, works best with a Pally tank agro'n everything and keeping the adds on him. As a hunter, I've never had any luck in add duty, just can't kill them fast enough and stay alive. Mages seem to have the best luck at it.

And it is frustrating running Heroic's for gear when the item you want is not a guaranteed drop. I've been in so many PUG's that fall apart from either easily frustrated people or they just have no idea how different a heroic is.

I've never been much of a pvp'r, just recently started doing arena and perhaps work towards a few items there. At least those are a "sure thing".

Its stupidly easy if you have a well coordinated and skilled group though.
Quickest 3 badges ever.

Even Kara is easy with a skilled group. I did a full clear (all 22 badges) in 3 hours last saturday. I've been in Heroic SLabs longer than that -_-;

It was a pretty fair mix of gear. The tank and most of the DPS were over geared, but we were carrying through a PvP-specc'ed Resto druid in blues and a warlock that had only seen Kara once or twice. We probably would have gotten through even faster if we didn't have to take time to explain all the boss fights to the warlock...

doing Kara quickly does require decent gear, but it requires coordination and skill more than anything to prevent wipes and careless mistakes.

BM is easysauce with a paladin tank. Just have the tank grab the adds and nuke the bosses.

For the real bosses, use a beacon at medivh and then ignore them.

Edited, Mar 15th 2008 9:18am by Xsarus

No, not at all. Since the patch which adjusted Heroics from a post-Kara environment to a pre-Kara environment people can run Heroics well before they are Kara ready. In fact running Heroics is one of the ways to get a character Kara ready.

Heroics are tougher than the same Instance run on normal level, to be sure. And they don't tolerate idiots very well. DPS who don't know how to avoid pulling aggro are going to die, fast. CC who are unable to keep a target CCed while still contributing DPS are not doing enough. Tanks with lousy mitigation or mechanical skills, or healers without decent +healing and attention enough to heal 5 people as needed are going to invite wipes. Everyone needs to know their class and their job, and carry it off with a high degree of coordination.

If you're Guildless and pugging all of your Heroics you're in for some rough times. Find good players and put them on /friends. Actually look at everyone's gear before you all enter the Instance. I've backed out of more than one pug Heroic due to the tanks gear level or an all-green equipped DPS. Use of consumables can overcome some gear shortages, but it's often true that people don't care to use them unless they feel that there's little chance of a death causing them to be lost. Which can then become a self fulfilling philosophy of failure.

Jeez. This thread is making me want to run heroics again, just to see if they've gotten any easier. I never got a single piece of gear out of a heroic dungeon before I quit them and started doing Kara.

I just never really had luck with heroics. Even when I did guild runs, I saw more wipes than I have ever seen in Kara. And these were the same people that I run Kara with every week.