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#1 Mar 10 2008 at 5:39 PM Rating: Decent
As I'm getting ready for heroic instances the question comes up "How much +heals do you have? I just simply tell them 1350 unbuff. So what do you do when the "magical" comment hits the chat box?
#2 Mar 10 2008 at 5:52 PM Rating: Good
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about 1600. not bad for 9 days at 70.
#3 Mar 10 2008 at 6:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I usually say "enough", I never know off the top of my head, my armory says 1911, but I have MoTW.
#4 Mar 10 2008 at 7:23 PM Rating: Good
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Can switch it around anywhere as low as 1850, to almost 2100.

For raid healing I sit around 1920, cause I rather lose 100+ healing and gain a smackton of mana regen for those long boss fights. Why I have spellsurge over +81 healing as well.
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#5 Mar 11 2008 at 2:53 PM Rating: Excellent
However much my bandages can heal for. ;)
#6 Mar 11 2008 at 6:57 PM Rating: Good
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I'd say around 1900. I'm the same as bodh, i sometimes switch gear around depending on the boss.
#7 Mar 11 2008 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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I just got the belt of Azgalor tonight, which leaves my +healing relatively the same but puts my spell crit up to 26 or 27, more if I cared to put my spell crit trinket on.

Sexy.
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#8 Mar 11 2008 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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Nice one and gratz :D

I'm struggling to get my crit over 23% unbuffed without dropping my already low mp5. I may have to gimp my healing a bit to up both :(

Edited, Mar 11th 2008 11:13pm by bawbaag
#9 Mar 17 2008 at 4:17 AM Rating: Good
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1700 as Prot. :)
#10 Mar 18 2008 at 12:01 PM Rating: Default
I have 1351 with a green mace and I have healed all of Kara except Nighband / Netherspite plus I have healed in Gruul's too.

IMHO I think the whole "how much BH you have " is total BS. If you know how to down rank your spells , manage your mana pool and have good trinkets along with some skill , your BH dont mean $hit.

I have outhealed other pallys in purples and 500+ more BH where they had a warrior tank and I had a warrior tank.

I was actually told that I was too low to heal in Gruul's but got to go due to a healer shortage - and guess what??

I beat the other epic pally and a preist on one fight and was in the top 3 all the time against 4 other pallys and 2 preists.

I am holding out for the mace from prince or maiden or sha'tar rep and I like a bigger mana pool than BH pool.

I see too many pallys with bigger BH do to much overhealing.
#11 Mar 18 2008 at 5:52 PM Rating: Decent
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IMHO I think the whole "how much BH you have " is total BS. If you know how to down rank your spells , manage your mana pool and have good trinkets along with some skill , your BH dont mean $hit.



Skill > Gear
#12 Mar 18 2008 at 6:06 PM Rating: Good
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I see too many pallys with bigger BH do to much overhealing.


There is no such thing as "too much overhealing", if you are healing pretty much non stop and are still healing at the (haven't run oom), then you've done your job, even if its mostly overhealing. Think of it as an "insurance policy" against spikey damage.

Edited, Mar 18th 2008 10:08pm by Tinyknight
#13 Mar 18 2008 at 6:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Gruuls is so easy to heal, for gruuls I can spam my max flash heal non stop and stay above 95 percent mana.

#14 Mar 19 2008 at 12:14 AM Rating: Decent
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About 2100 in SSC/TK/ZA gear...with a few Badge pieces mixed in. =)
#15 Mar 19 2008 at 1:52 AM Rating: Good
Downranking spells these days is useless due to the penalty lower rank spells recieve on their coefficients. Max rank FoL = 42 %, rank 5 gets much, much less. Only place I've found worthwhile to downrank was Tidewalker so I could keep Light's Grace up all the time. Only place I've ever had to downrank.

Overhealing is not a problem if you're a paladin.

Personally I range from 1800-2100 depending on what fight. More crit for stand still fights, more mp5 for mobility fights.
#16 Mar 19 2008 at 4:34 AM Rating: Decent
I have trinket that gives me back mana for HL and keeps Light Grace up so if i use HL instead of FoL i get mana back and more efficient heals.

But that is IMHO.

But yes I agree skill > gear.

#17 Mar 19 2008 at 5:47 PM Rating: Decent
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Stating the obvious, but you're not going to kill Illidan in entry BC level quest greens, no matter how good you are. So amended, "Skill > gear, all things considered." ;)

But anyway, I've only amassed 1300 bonus healing so far (that's with my Prot spec). Mostly Kara gear with a few blues mixed in, Shockwave Truncheon, and Witches Band from the Headless Horseman.
#18 Mar 19 2008 at 6:22 PM Rating: Good
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The thing is that once you get past Kara +healing truly needs to be taken into consideration with A) Spell Crit and B) MP5. I have seen people with 2100/2200 +heals but they have **** all for regen.

One example in particular that I like is a fellow Draenei Pally who was quick to point out that he had more +heal than me. So we sat down and started healing each other in IF one day. He went oom, sat down and drank, and went oom again and I was still at 20% mana. It became apparent I have 10% more spell crit and 20 mp5.

Massive +healing is great, but if you have 15% holy crit or 80mp5 then you are shooting yourself in the foot because your stats are unbalanced. I am seeing lots of pallies making the same mistake and putting +heal before regen and they are failing for it.
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#19 Mar 19 2008 at 6:40 PM Rating: Decent
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#20 Mar 20 2008 at 4:28 AM Rating: Good
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The thing is that once you get past Kara +healing truly needs to be taken into consideration with A) Spell Crit and B) MP5. I have seen people with 2100/2200 +heals but they have sh*t all for regen.

One example in particular that I like is a fellow Draenei Pally who was quick to point out that he had more +heal than me. So we sat down and started healing each other in IF one day. He went oom, sat down and drank, and went oom again and I was still at 20% mana. It became apparent I have 10% more spell crit and 20 mp5.

Massive +healing is great, but if you have 15% holy crit or 80mp5 then you are shooting yourself in the foot because your stats are unbalanced. I am seeing lots of pallies making the same mistake and putting +heal before regen and they are failing for it.


Bodh, as one of the more knowledgable and progressed pallys around here, can you give me any advice? My guild is currently preparing to tackle Vashj and Kael, (Vashj first I think) so I would like to make sure I have the right stats to maximise my effectiveness.

Is there anything you would change with my gear/gems/enchants etc.... I'm thinking that my regen may be a little on the low side but not sure if it's worth sacrificing any +heal or crit. Do the mechanics of the fight favour any particular stat? FYI, I normally take flasks or pots for mana regen and Int. (just in case you are wondering about the mail chest I'm wearing... that bloody Chestguard of Hidden purpose from Eagle Boss in ZA doesn't seem to want to drop >.< ) I also may have logged out with a different weapon =/ normally use Shard of the Virtuous with the +81 heal enchant.

Thanks
#21 Mar 20 2008 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
Neither fight has a lot of spike damage, you can mostly spam flash of light through the fight so you have max mana efficiency. Neither fight are really healing dependent, honestly both fights are more about your guild paying attention than anything else. One thing I found out that helped in vash was making a macro for your blessing of freedom that printed a message (preferably in a channel, so it doesn't distract the raid by spamming raid chat) that you cast your freedom, that the other paladin(s) need to wait a few seconds before using theirs. That and a macro for tainted core.

You don't happen to know which add you're going to be assigned to heal on kael do you?
#22 Mar 20 2008 at 9:39 AM Rating: Good
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Alas... we haven't really discussed tactics yet. I've read up the strats for each boss just so I have an idea of what to expect and how the fight in general will go but there really is no substitute for being there and trying it.

I believe we will go for vashj first as we have a lot easier time clearing up to vashj than we do kael... leo is the only fight we occassionally struggle on. We only downed A'lar for the first time last weekend so we will need a but more practice on it.

If as you say neither fight has a lot of spike damage, I will probably see if I can cut a little spell crit for more mp5 and pot/flask for mana regen as well. I'll try to leave my +heal as it is so the FoL is more effective.

Thanks for the tip dil, much appreiciated.
#24 Mar 20 2008 at 11:12 AM Rating: Good
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sounds like you need to read up on spell coefficients.

(cast-time/3)*100= percent of +healing used. Instants are generally 43%.

This is off the top of my head and actually might be a little off, i havent cared about it in ages. if you want more material check out wowwiki.com



Edited, Mar 20th 2008 12:13pm by KTurner
#25 Mar 20 2008 at 11:46 AM Rating: Good
I also have ALL the spell coefficients (at least all of the ones I could think of) listed in the FAQ. So you can check that out at your leasure.
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