Chat with a GM about shaman statusFollow

yeah, we could all easily tell she was joking thanks to her vocal inflection and facial expression. you know, those things that arent possibly transmittable over the internet.

moral of the story? when in doubt, make sure people know youre kidding, even if it ruins the joke.

I smell o-forum refugee.

"lulz, my logic is better than yourz yets i has no 70 shamen." Is pretty much what I'm hearing from you.

I'm a great pvper, it really isnt hard at all. But beating someone in a 1v1 fight as a shaman is the most straining thing you can do. So is doing arena. In arena a shaman is dead weight as they will be dead very soon out of the gate. And if you want facts, shamans are the least represented class in the 2v2 and 3v3 brackets above 1800 (thems the good teams). And thems the facts.... "how about them apples?" See wut I did thar?

I thought we killed this thread.

O'rly? I don't pvp much ony my shaman at all. In fact, after january I quit doing arena. I have plenty of experience. Basing that just on the amount of "HKs" which may I add can be gained from watching someone pound on a couple of other hordies. Also, any idiot can run around a BG, not get notcied, and destroy anyone if they can get the jump on them. It really isn't hard. Saying that I suck because of the amount of HKs I have is like looking at a person that rarely plays halo 3, only to see they are a 30 segeant with "75 exp" and "80 games won". Some people can actually absorb informationquicker than someone else. So just maybe I can grasp the concept of how to pvp with my class quicker than say another person, who needed to get "10k hks" to get the amount of experience I have. They have a term for that.... I think it's called IQ.

Let this thread die now, it's taking space from the current legit threads.

QFT...








Edited, Apr 15th 2008 12:01pm by Ailitardif

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Anyone can just say that they have 1800 shaman friends to sway an arguement in their fasion. Yes there are shamans that are above 1800, and yes they are extremely skilled. But telling someone who is a good pvp'r to be a great pvp'r is like taking an NBA no-namer and telling him to dunk it like Vince Carter. Sure, we know that Mr.no-namer is good because he is in the NBA. But we also know that Vince Carter is amazing. Mr.n-namer can't jump very high, he's a standard point guard, but Vince Carter can jump 3 feet. No telling Mr.no-namer to l2jump 2 feet higher just isn't going to happen is it?

And to your other comment, yes every class has specs that aren't good in arena. But shamans have 3 specs that aren't very good for arena. Enhancement can be demolished by a range class. It isn't even hard, just dont let the enhancement shaman get near you and he's royally f*cked. Elemental shamans are pretty much dead once a warrior or rogue or rawrkitty get into contact with them. Resto shamans are the shamans with the highest survivability, but you don't want them as your main healer in arenas because they will go down faster than any healer.
Every class has flaws, but the fact is that shamans have the most easily exploitable flaws in pvp.

Quor has earned my respect. You however have not, and your lack of knowldge on the subject you're debating with me about isn't helping. Neither is name calling. Good Game.

Lack of knowledge? You are the one that said you haven't even done an arena since January. That puts you 5 weeks into season 3 before you quit, and was before the season even evolved into the game it is now. I don't understand why you feel you are more informed on the current state of arena than I am? Because you have a shaman and I've only teamed with them? Perhaps a valid point, but it doesn't negate my whole argument.

Perhaps I was out of line by saying you suck, but seeing you jump into every thread in all the class forums and the main forum talking about how pathetic shamans are gets old. The fact is, you have made up your mind on what you want to believe about the class and your level of skill. Nothing anyone can say or do will sway you. You keep throwing back the same counter-arguments. As a parting suggestion, maybe you should look into ways to improve your playing style, gear, or spec if you really want to get to a competitive level in arena. This game does take some skill, but seeing as how global cooldowns are still at 1.5 secs for most time, as long as you can press a button in that space, you don't have to have the reflexes of Vince Carter or even the towelboy.

A few places to get you started and maybe offer inspiration:
http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Stormscale&n=Manoz

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Gnomeregan&n=Konq

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Spirestone&n=Arami

Those are the guys I would use to sway the argument in my fashion, not the average people who can obtain 1800.

Oops, sorry about that. He does have a historic 2v2 on the arena teams tab that did 1800, though. Otherwise, ignore that scrub! =P

Thought you were leaving.

Sissy.

whether or not you suck isnt mine to say. what *is* mine to say is that i think your experience in pvp as a shaman is limited. ever since auto-grouping in BG's was introducedm HKs have been a reliable indicator of pvp experience; the more you have, the more pvp you have done, and thus the more you have seen.

for instance, on my 70 druid and warrior i have a combined total of about 50k HKs. thats something of an erroneous number because my druid pvped extensively before there was such a thing as an HK counter, as well as the fact that many HKs my druid would have gotten were uncounted due to the nature of the pvp system in its initial incarnation.

but, as noted, anything after the addition of auto-grouping in bgs is a reliable indicator of actual time spent in a pvp situation. thats what i called into question; you lack actual pvp experience, and it shows. adding to this, you have (from what i can see) done little to help your pvp situation via gear. bad pvp gear + low pvp experience = poor qualifications to talk about pvp.

im willing to admit you have more pve shaman experience than i do, especially in a raiding environment. but pvp? no.

whenever i see theo post im often reminded of one of my favorite quotes:

"there aint no trauma like blunt trauma."

No, you haven't.

4k lifetime kills and no PvP gear means that you've not done any decent amount of PvP, nor are you specced for PvP.

Shamans are incredibly powerful in arena if used properly. You're poorly geared, so of course you think Shamans are worthless. Again, L2P.