I've checked the stickies on a nice healing guide (casting rotation, HoT Vs Big mamma heal, etc) I did not find anything.... yet, still going to look. Anyone got a linky?
Well I still have a lot of quests and gear from quests to pick up before I even think about running an instance, but it is coming up.
What I'm really wondering, I should prolly hit the tank with a HoT, then Lifebloom him 3 times? Then keep HoTs up? Or use the Big Bertha heal instead of the HoTs? I know it's a total nub question... I have my Warrior (tank), Hunter (DPS), and to complete the trio of raid usefullness my Healer Druid.
I've talked to some healing Druids while tanking just to be social, and I remember one saying that Tree of Life form prevented him from casting his big spells. There ever a time I would not want to use that? Bosses?
However, the last time I really healed was BRD >.>
Any pointers/tips/links/videos/etc would help a nervous new healer out =)
Thanks.
Edited, Mar 10th 2008 12:56pm by GYFFORD
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In ToL you cannot cast HT(healing touch), you cannot remove Curse. You use your HoT spells. Lifebloom, Regrowth, Rejuvenation, Swiftmend and Tranquility. You can use though Barskin (spll??) and innervate.
As for guide.. this is 1 thing
guide for resto druids in Karazhan
THIS is awesome
and of course good ol' allakhazam
As for guide.. this is 1 thing
guide for resto druids in Karazhan
THIS is awesome
and of course good ol' allakhazam
Awesome thanks man! I have some nice afternoon work reading to do now ;P
Welp on to the 1st link.
Thanks again.
Welp on to the 1st link.
Thanks again.
I have read a lot of the stickies myself concerning healing gear/ methods etc.
I'm still not sure where I should be at, at this stage (lvl 68)
I have put all my talent points into resto (except for 1 natures grasp) and have been healing instances in TOL form for quite a few levels..
With a good group I don't have any problems sitting around +520 heals in caster form, with buffs etc I get close to 560ish I guess. I logged out in my solo gear so I can't armory myself..
My healing gear consists of blues and greens, all trinkets, rings etc. (no enchants yet)
On bad groups I guess it doesn't matter what I am wearing or what kind of +heals I have. If I keep pulling aggro it's all moot...
Anyhow am I gimping myself and my group by not doing a Hybrid build as I so often see mentioned around here since I'm still lacking on the +heal?
I solo alot by myself and do quite well in cat form with no talents in it.
But I'm concerned if I go hybrid I might suffer for example, this build has no omen of clarity which is really nice for soloing...
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0tLrzzhZZxVcxcq0eot
Plus obviously it is stopping short of moonglow or lunar guidance.
I can't see myself going back to casting HT as my main heal spell again.
It takes way too long to cast when a squishy can be 2 shotted and I could possibly throw a rejuv/swiftmend to save them from certain death.
I'm not sure I like the cookie cutter dreamstate build either since I don't care to get the moonkin form and there is no swiftmend
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0xcrzfIsMuZZxtIzcq
should I just stick it out till 70 where I am talent wise or should I shuffle things up to help out more in pug's which is what I mainly get myself into..
(I'm a sucker for punishment I guess...)
Sorry OP, not trying to steal your thread, just some concerns like you and hope we both can get answers in one thread instead of 2 :)
I'm still not sure where I should be at, at this stage (lvl 68)
I have put all my talent points into resto (except for 1 natures grasp) and have been healing instances in TOL form for quite a few levels..
With a good group I don't have any problems sitting around +520 heals in caster form, with buffs etc I get close to 560ish I guess. I logged out in my solo gear so I can't armory myself..
My healing gear consists of blues and greens, all trinkets, rings etc. (no enchants yet)
On bad groups I guess it doesn't matter what I am wearing or what kind of +heals I have. If I keep pulling aggro it's all moot...
Anyhow am I gimping myself and my group by not doing a Hybrid build as I so often see mentioned around here since I'm still lacking on the +heal?
I solo alot by myself and do quite well in cat form with no talents in it.
But I'm concerned if I go hybrid I might suffer for example, this build has no omen of clarity which is really nice for soloing...
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0tLrzzhZZxVcxcq0eot
Plus obviously it is stopping short of moonglow or lunar guidance.
I can't see myself going back to casting HT as my main heal spell again.
It takes way too long to cast when a squishy can be 2 shotted and I could possibly throw a rejuv/swiftmend to save them from certain death.
I'm not sure I like the cookie cutter dreamstate build either since I don't care to get the moonkin form and there is no swiftmend
http://www.wowhead.com/?talent=0xcrzfIsMuZZxtIzcq
should I just stick it out till 70 where I am talent wise or should I shuffle things up to help out more in pug's which is what I mainly get myself into..
(I'm a sucker for punishment I guess...)
Sorry OP, not trying to steal your thread, just some concerns like you and hope we both can get answers in one thread instead of 2 :)
Also, tree of life isn't the only healing build. I use Dreamstate build which makes your healing touch very efficient, and you don't have to deal with the limitations of Tree of Life, if like me you can't stand it. Plus you get the dancekin form. :P
Clicky my character if you're curious. :)
edit: oops I was too slow. That's what I get for posting from work.
Edited, Mar 10th 2008 2:13pm by PhoenixOmbre
Clicky my character if you're curious. :)
edit: oops I was too slow. That's what I get for posting from work.
Edited, Mar 10th 2008 2:13pm by PhoenixOmbre
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Oh man, I'm more confused than ever lol. As a tank, I know certian bosses will dp so much burst damage on me, in just normal raids.... Trying to guess when Lifebloom will bloom in comparison to the tanks HP wooooo 
. I should have just rolled a Priest lol
Maybe if I beg my guild to get me in a starter Ramps party or something, since our tanks are in T4/ZA gear, maybe that way it'll be a bit easier :/ I'm sure I'll be running group quests too, that's a bit of practice. I've never seen Lifebloom yet (lv59). 3.5 second heal spell is going to be rough in a pinch =)
Think I'll just have to get some healing hours under my belt.
. I should have just rolled a Priest lol Maybe if I beg my guild to get me in a starter Ramps party or something, since our tanks are in T4/ZA gear, maybe that way it'll be a bit easier :/ I'm sure I'll be running group quests too, that's a bit of practice. I've never seen Lifebloom yet (lv59). 3.5 second heal spell is going to be rough in a pinch =)
Think I'll just have to get some healing hours under my belt.
I started to heal Kara/heroics few weeks ago. I use all 61 points in restoration. I usually starts the fight in tree form, use my hots as much as possible (I usually put lifebloom x3 on the tank even if he's taking almost no dmg). I will use rej and regrowth if needed.
If it still isn't enough, I don't hesitate to switch back to caster and use Healing touch. Our strenght lies in the ability to switch form, dont stay in ToL if you cant keep the tank up.
Usually in Kara, on prince, I keep lifebloomx3 and rej on the tank and it's enough to keep him alive. With Regrowth if needed, the fight is really easy. I'm sitting at 1400 healing bonus and enough mana regen to keep casting lifebloom every 5 seconds forever =)
If it still isn't enough, I don't hesitate to switch back to caster and use Healing touch. Our strenght lies in the ability to switch form, dont stay in ToL if you cant keep the tank up.
Usually in Kara, on prince, I keep lifebloomx3 and rej on the tank and it's enough to keep him alive. With Regrowth if needed, the fight is really easy. I'm sitting at 1400 healing bonus and enough mana regen to keep casting lifebloom every 5 seconds forever =)
Full Resto build
more expensive Healing Touch
Nature's Swiftness+Healing Touch
Rejuv+Swiftmend
High chance for crit heal on Regrowth
25% cheaper heals in Tree form
Dreamstate/Restokin build
no instant heals
more +Healing
more mp/5
cheaper Healing Touch
better solo
Both builds have their advantages and disadvantages. I think in smaller groups, and earlier in progression, Dreamstate is a better build. Keep 3 lifeblooms and Rejuv stacked on the tank, and between refreshes, cast down-ranked HTs.
When you start having 2 or 3 tanks, full Resto druids have a major advantage. Keep lifebloom x3 and Rejuv on each tank, and swiftmend as needed for spike damage. Since lifebloom ticks every second, each tank will usually get 2-3 ticks from it before anyone else could get off a big heal. Also, when you're put in the tank party, every healer gets +healing equal to 25% of your Spirit when they're healing a tank.
more expensive Healing Touch
Nature's Swiftness+Healing Touch
Rejuv+Swiftmend
High chance for crit heal on Regrowth
25% cheaper heals in Tree form
Dreamstate/Restokin build
no instant heals
more +Healing
more mp/5
cheaper Healing Touch
better solo
Both builds have their advantages and disadvantages. I think in smaller groups, and earlier in progression, Dreamstate is a better build. Keep 3 lifeblooms and Rejuv stacked on the tank, and between refreshes, cast down-ranked HTs.
When you start having 2 or 3 tanks, full Resto druids have a major advantage. Keep lifebloom x3 and Rejuv on each tank, and swiftmend as needed for spike damage. Since lifebloom ticks every second, each tank will usually get 2-3 ticks from it before anyone else could get off a big heal. Also, when you're put in the tank party, every healer gets +healing equal to 25% of your Spirit when they're healing a tank.
As resto 1/0/60, I stay most of the time in tree form. And getting used to those HoTs really takes some time and practice. But from what I've found thus far:
-before the tank starts pulling, start stacking Lifebloom on him. Then (I) switch to other melee guys and spell-rotation with lifebloom. And of course return to the tank to keep 3 LB on him all the time.
-if the situation becomes dire, apply for tank a Rejuvenation. (I) keep using LB for the melees, and rejuvenation, also, if required.
-if the situation gets out of control, Regrowth+swiftmend / nature's swiftness+healing touch on tank, or, in extreme situation, barkskin+tranquility.
Either way, keep LB stacked on tank, and 1 or 2 on other melees. Ranged shouldnt be taking too much dmg, but if they do, max 2 LB on them.
LB LB LB is all that I use more often. I feel like a mage( Frostbolt, FB, FB..).
If you're bored, try like I did: Go to a mob higher lvl than you, or elite, if you're 70, let him attack you, and try the heals on you. See how it works.
Edited, Mar 11th 2008 7:52am by dragonscale
EDIT: grammar issues.
Edited, Mar 11th 2008 8:21am by dragonscale
-before the tank starts pulling, start stacking Lifebloom on him. Then (I) switch to other melee guys and spell-rotation with lifebloom. And of course return to the tank to keep 3 LB on him all the time.
-if the situation becomes dire, apply for tank a Rejuvenation. (I) keep using LB for the melees, and rejuvenation, also, if required.
-if the situation gets out of control, Regrowth+swiftmend / nature's swiftness+healing touch on tank, or, in extreme situation, barkskin+tranquility.
Either way, keep LB stacked on tank, and 1 or 2 on other melees. Ranged shouldnt be taking too much dmg, but if they do, max 2 LB on them.
LB LB LB is all that I use more often. I feel like a mage( Frostbolt, FB, FB..).
If you're bored, try like I did: Go to a mob higher lvl than you, or elite, if you're 70, let him attack you, and try the heals on you. See how it works.
Edited, Mar 11th 2008 7:52am by dragonscale
EDIT: grammar issues.
Edited, Mar 11th 2008 8:21am by dragonscale
Quote:
LB LB LB is all that I use more often. I feel like a mage( Frostbolt, FB, FB..).
Yeah, I think I made this post a little early. I still got a few levels until then (lv60 as of last night). Sounds like fun, and I'm sure I'll get called a 'nub' at some point while my +healing gear is still shoddy*gulp*
Thanks for all the advice.
Adding my little story if it's any use...
Resto druid was my first character and pre-BC I was used to druids having slow but big heals, BC has come as a bit of a shock for my healing style and I'm still not very good at tree healing.
I levelled as a balance/resto spec (34/0/27 or something), so I had moonkin form for soloing and the rare occasions when groups would let me dps, but also NS for those 'oh ****' moments. I tended to heal with a mix of HT (max level and downranked), rejuv and the occasional regrowth up until Lifebloom at level 66 (I think).
Then I went all out with stacking lifeblooms on the tank because I thought that was the thing to do. Depending on your tank (mine was generally one at a level appropriate to the instance, fury spec but well played) lifebloonm stacking may be a waste of time for pre-70 instances. I spent a long time monitoring stacks on the tank when actually just one LB and the bloom was sufficient healing, once I realised that instances became much less stressful as I only worried about stacking lifeblooms on bosses. I'd say about 80% of my healing in the level 66-69 range was from single LB applications.
At 70 I went more into resto and use a mix of LB stacking, rejuv and regrowths on hard hitting bosses. I am however very bad at dealing with spike and aoe damage and luckily I grouped with a group of friends who accept that sometimes I'll just let them die.
I'll try and summarise:
1. Full resto isn't necessary for healing and whilst levelling you may want to look into a balance/resto spec. Levelling as tree is painful (coming from someone who levelled 10-60 as resto).
2. For pre-70 instances LB stacking may not be worthwile depending on your tank, just because you can stack it doens't mean you have to.
3. ToL should be viable for most encounters, raiding wise you'll generally have other healers filling in spike damage, 5-man wise (on normal) a good dose of hots on your tank with swiftmend at hand should be enough, or there's NS + HT. The only places I wouldn't recommend it for are those with high aoe damage (I found Talon King Ikiss a particular pita to heal on my druid) or high spike damage. Heroics are something my druid is not well geared for and generally I prefer the survivability of my paladin for those.
My tips are probably more relevant for pre-70 stuff, but I hope some of it's useful.
Resto druid was my first character and pre-BC I was used to druids having slow but big heals, BC has come as a bit of a shock for my healing style and I'm still not very good at tree healing.
I levelled as a balance/resto spec (34/0/27 or something), so I had moonkin form for soloing and the rare occasions when groups would let me dps, but also NS for those 'oh ****' moments. I tended to heal with a mix of HT (max level and downranked), rejuv and the occasional regrowth up until Lifebloom at level 66 (I think).
Then I went all out with stacking lifeblooms on the tank because I thought that was the thing to do. Depending on your tank (mine was generally one at a level appropriate to the instance, fury spec but well played) lifebloonm stacking may be a waste of time for pre-70 instances. I spent a long time monitoring stacks on the tank when actually just one LB and the bloom was sufficient healing, once I realised that instances became much less stressful as I only worried about stacking lifeblooms on bosses. I'd say about 80% of my healing in the level 66-69 range was from single LB applications.
At 70 I went more into resto and use a mix of LB stacking, rejuv and regrowths on hard hitting bosses. I am however very bad at dealing with spike and aoe damage and luckily I grouped with a group of friends who accept that sometimes I'll just let them die.
I'll try and summarise:
1. Full resto isn't necessary for healing and whilst levelling you may want to look into a balance/resto spec. Levelling as tree is painful (coming from someone who levelled 10-60 as resto).
2. For pre-70 instances LB stacking may not be worthwile depending on your tank, just because you can stack it doens't mean you have to.
3. ToL should be viable for most encounters, raiding wise you'll generally have other healers filling in spike damage, 5-man wise (on normal) a good dose of hots on your tank with swiftmend at hand should be enough, or there's NS + HT. The only places I wouldn't recommend it for are those with high aoe damage (I found Talon King Ikiss a particular pita to heal on my druid) or high spike damage. Heroics are something my druid is not well geared for and generally I prefer the survivability of my paladin for those.
My tips are probably more relevant for pre-70 stuff, but I hope some of it's useful.
If u wana raid-heal forget about a dreamstate built. u are useless with it in healing terms.
why?
well played healers are healing damage away in the 3 secs u need for your HT.
so you have to stick to HoTs -> get Tree of Life.
How to deal with spike-damage as tree:
If u know your tanks target hits hard, put all HoTs on him.
I Would start with a regrowth and reju before pull (regrowth has a long running-time and u can use reju for a fast swiftmend at start).
Then start stacking lifebloom.
When spike comes, use Swiftmend and recast a Regrowth (heals not as much as HT, but is cheaper and faster).
If u get into Trouble, use a Natures Swiftness - Healing Touch and switch back to tree.
But if your tank isnt really undergeared for the instance, all HoTs on him + Swiftmend should be enough to keep him alive.
Edited, Mar 12th 2008 2:33pm by druidserg
Edited, Mar 12th 2008 2:36pm by druidserg
why?
well played healers are healing damage away in the 3 secs u need for your HT.
so you have to stick to HoTs -> get Tree of Life.
How to deal with spike-damage as tree:
If u know your tanks target hits hard, put all HoTs on him.
I Would start with a regrowth and reju before pull (regrowth has a long running-time and u can use reju for a fast swiftmend at start).
Then start stacking lifebloom.
When spike comes, use Swiftmend and recast a Regrowth (heals not as much as HT, but is cheaper and faster).
If u get into Trouble, use a Natures Swiftness - Healing Touch and switch back to tree.
But if your tank isnt really undergeared for the instance, all HoTs on him + Swiftmend should be enough to keep him alive.
Edited, Mar 12th 2008 2:33pm by druidserg
Edited, Mar 12th 2008 2:36pm by druidserg
Awesome! Thanks for the follow ups. That really helped me. From what I was reading I was worried that I'd be just a back up healer, and not be able to main heal as a tree.
As for leveling, ehhh. I'm pretty sure I'm going to do what I did on my Warrior. I'll level as Feral (warrior-fury) up to 70. I'll knock out all my quests that I want to finish (Ogri'la chain), then respec to Resto (warrior- Protect), and that's where I'll stay. I'll get a DPS set for doing dailies, maybe BG stuff (like my hunter), but I'll stay as resto. My warrior does it with a shoddy dps set, but it works good enough =)
Again, thanks for all the help.
As for leveling, ehhh. I'm pretty sure I'm going to do what I did on my Warrior. I'll level as Feral (warrior-fury) up to 70. I'll knock out all my quests that I want to finish (Ogri'la chain), then respec to Resto (warrior- Protect), and that's where I'll stay. I'll get a DPS set for doing dailies, maybe BG stuff (like my hunter), but I'll stay as resto. My warrior does it with a shoddy dps set, but it works good enough =)
Again, thanks for all the help.
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