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If you have improved righteous fury on, and hit a mob with your shield, judgment of righteousness, and exorcism, and the druid/warrior pull it off you that quickly, look at the mob debuffs to see if it was taunted. Hell I do that to a lot of our newer recruits, and then yell at them to generate better threat. ;)

EDIT: The main reason I say to look at this is simple. The only people you mention pulling threat off you are people who can taunt. If you lose threat to DPSers, you may have a problem. If you "lose threat" to tanks, they're probably ninja taunting off of you.


Edited, Mar 10th 2008 10:21am by Ialaman

Right thanks, I had considered this. It's unfortunate that I can't really say anything as they think Pala tanks are near laughable... however the druid tank at least is a genuinely nice guy, I may have a word with him if it happens again.

And as KTurner brought it up, I have been noticing sustained TPS issues too. Where the druid can keep up a steady 400~ TPS I'm stuck at 250-300 after the initial pull even using all my CDs (exept the wings one +10% damage, forget the name.) With Vengeance and time that rises but on trash mobs with SoR they die too fast for Vengeance.

The problem with this seems to be that warrior gear is far superior in terms of avoidance and stamina. So take sub-par gear just to be able to tank effectively? Seems a little harsh to me...

P.S. nothing I say in these forums should be taken as gospel because I probably don't have a clue what I'm talking about.

Yea... kara HEAVILY favors a Paladin tank in terms of threat generation on trash mobs, you can even get a Holy Wrath in on the pulls sometimes if timed well.

What are you blessed with? Is there a chance that some pally in the group is giving you Salvation? Is Righteous Fury up? Is it 3/3 Improved RF? In the case of bosses, make sure someone judges them with Crusader, you if need be -- you can catch up for the lost Righteousness by blowing Wings and givin'er after.

I've run with Warriors and Paladins before who like to ninja mobs onto them after the DPS has dealt with their mobs because it's the only way they can contribute (and gimp me in the process) but if a Feral Druid is taunting them off of you perhaps you should remind him that he HAS a cat form... Far better to have 10 people contributing to the fight than 9.

Unless there's something fundamental that you're missing here, my money's on ninja taunting. Especially if they don't respect Pally tanks in the first place, probably trying to grab threat onto someone that they "trust".

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There are some definite upgrades needed I know, but as far as I'm aware there's nothing really wrong with my spec or gear.

Yup.. little low on spell damage. Major Spellpower and Wizard Oil should take care of that unless you're buying the PvP mace (like.. today) in which case hold off on the enchant and put it on that instead.

Still.. especially in Kara I'm not sure why you'd be losing aggro right away. And that spell damage shouldn't account for THAT much threat (in reference to the TPS numbers you gave earlier). Certainly that's a major concern though.

When you get enough badges, spend them on Chestguard of the Stoic Guardian. It's probably the best use of badges for a tankadin (after the libram of repentance) Also, I noticed some str/stam gems on your chest...just no. Strength is basically worthless for a tankadin. Trade those for some spell damage or stamina gems (or the combo).

Even the "I'm trying to get something better for that slot" excuse only holds up for so long. For example, the Vambraces of Courage. If they don't drop in Kara this week, you won't even have a chance at getting them to drop for another whole week.

As for the cloak, I will rely on a very long standing belief I have. The upgrade you're looking for will not drop until you spend a lot of money accepting that it most likely won't. I.E.: http://wow.allakhazam.com/forum.html?forum=21;mid=1205170811232877034;num=14;page=1

That poor guy leveled tailoring all the way to 375 just to wear Frozen Shadowweave. The day after he made his crafted set, the shoulders he always used to want dropped.

I will give another example. The first time I ran Kara with my pally, I was called in with a lot of open sockets and unenchanted gear. I had the raid wait while I spent over 500g on a splurge of gem and enchant buying. We went in to Karazhan, cleared it, and I walked out with 8 new items (which I had to go gem and enchant all over again). In fact, most of the items I had enchanted and gemmed immediately prior to the raid were the ones that were replaced.

I'd say, give in and enchant your gear anyways. Then use it to farm more efficiently and recover the costs. It'll all work out in the end, and who knows, it might just get your upgrades to drop for you. :)

if you like PvP and can afford to lose the small avoidance on the sword you can get a spell dmg mace. either the S1 for honor, or the S2 with Arena points (or S3 if you are good).

The place I saw it was: http://maintankadin.failsafedesign.com/viewtopic.php?t=241

Basically, 1 spell damage = 0.63 TPS. So, 20 spell damage = 12.6 TPS. The break-even point for this is at 630 TPS, so if you are doing less than that, 20 spell damage is better. If you are above that, 2% threat is better.

Now I don't have an exact location for how much spell damage you need to hit that point. However, I only have around 350 spell damage, and I can steadily put out 850 TPS, so I don't think anyone with the S1 spell damage mace + 40 spell damage enchant (which is readily available to everyone) should have any problems hitting over 630 TPS.