been testing the felguard spec in raids...asFollow

oaken you'll be very pleased, for the past like 4 days I've been felguard spec (got bored, respecc'd). currently though I've only tested it in kara and za though from them two alone i was incredably surprised at the damage it does and tonight I should be testing it in mh/bt to see if it really does match up to my old 0/21/40 spec as well as the rest of our imba dps (shall be comparing wws stats over the next week to prior raids).

so yeah, pretty curious as to why it does so much more damage than I'd expect... currently the only idea I've come up with is that the dot damage + damage from felguard during the times when I would be lifetapping/bandaging/potting/moving etc... makes up for alot of the difference from the pure 0/21/40 nuke spec. basically even though the theorycrafting shows dest to seriously outdps demo, it really is surprising how much damage it does... though T5 2set is far from needed I've found, though the trinket is a bigger help than I originally thought.

so yeah, after this week there may be another demo lock in da house ^^ lol

hehe, never thought (or heard of the EoK thing. but yeah, pet diserpeares (poor spelling... lol) so interesting idea for that (as well as almost all other boss aoe abilities). could be used alot tbh :D

I got tired of bringing my rogue through all the material and decided that I really wanted to take warlock through progression instead. I've been leveling him pretty religiously lately, just dinged 67 last night, been averaging about a level every two days since 60. I started leveling as aff, but at 54 respecced to demo and the change was amazing. In a general leveling environment, I lost some of that survivability and I had to actually care for my Felguard much more than my old Voidwalker, but the DPS output was astonishing, it really amazed me. One of the most important aspects of that was the massive amount of additional spell damage over straight up affliction. So I've really fallen in love with demo and find it hard to give up my trusty spec. I have been praying that more conclusions would be drawn towards demo being viable in raids because it would be a difficult change if I had to. I'd go back to affliction if it was required, but I would probably never go destruction (I have a mage for that).

So far, from 60-67 demo has proved awesome for solo of course, but has been very strong in 5 mans. Once again I think that comes a lot from the extra spell damage. Demonic Knowledge is one of my favorite talents. The Felguard's dps really helps too, but even during those times when I've had to keep him back with me (due to retarded tanks deciding it wasn't needed to pull the mob back even though it was tight) to avoid adds, the damage from the extra spell damage is still pretty amazing. When I was in The Underbog at 62 and higher on the damage meters than the level 67 huntard and 66 rogue, I knew I had found my favorite spec. That just seemed crazy to me, but then again I guess I have an inner sense of how to manage spell damage and stack stamina/intellect for the extra damage bonus from a few demo talents.

I am very glad to hear the recent stories of demo in raids and I hope to hear more because I like my demo spec. I should be 70 by next week and I'll start working on some heroics (made sure to get the rep I needed everywhere already), get some gear, and hopefully be heading into Kara by the end of the month. I hope to see the same results as you guys. I'll be right up beside a destro lock so we'll see how it compares. I already have more spell damage than he does, but I guess demo is just easier to build that up with.

Xaos over on the den convinced me a little while back to try out 1/4x/1x build, I'm still fiddling with it (haven't taken it to BT yet, but tried it out in TK the other week and it's 110% badass except on Al'ar.)

It's impressive on trash, but I hate the unlucky glance strings the FG tends to get on bosses. It's so much more fun than bolt-spam, in any case.

Edited, Mar 10th 2008 3:51pm by Banatu

Bring some talent builds on the table, guys. I'm eager to respec to Soul Link and Felguard (survivability, how I miss thee), but I don't know how to place the final points.

Do you go full Mana Feed, or just one point and rest in Demonic Tactics? Do you max out Demonic Tactics and go for a Destruction sub-build, or do you leave Demonic Tactics be and go for Affliction supplements instead?

1 point is generally enough for mana feed, especially after taking into account all the mana-regen abilities in raids, personnaly though i'm currently using two, but that's to help with the solo side a bit more

6/44/11 is the all-purpose felguard build, and 1/43/17 is the min-maxed raid FG build. Example here.

Ok, I didn't expect this when I came here hehe.

Jen, I must say that this really made my day:

The power of t5 setbonus + trinket is that he's much more tough and you don't have to yank him out as often. One good example of this is on Rage Winterchill where you can just send the Felguard in and leave him there for the whole fight. The trinket helps him resist most of the D&D and the damage he does take gets healed up from your dps.

Does the Felguard get such things as Wrath of the Astromancer, and if so, how do you handle it?

I've been wanting to try the felguard in raids, but my class leader wants someone to have malediction, and as I am 1 of 2 locks having that, it doesn't look like I'll be able to in a while :-(

I´d suggest 6/44/11 for PvP (read BGs).
I´ve heard quiet a few people talk about the Felguard also
being viable in 5v5 Arena, where it´s said to kick some serious ***.



1 Point is more than enough in a raid-enviroment, since your raw spelldmg skyrockts with Felguard build and with 1 point in imp. LT you get shedloads of mana/tap, so will you pet. Especially since you will rarely use Intercept and never anguish in a Bossfight.




No it it not affected.



Well if you can convince the healers to keep an eye on him, especially in AoE-encounters and you´ve got a shaman or two healing the melees with chainheal +maybe a shadowpriest in your group you´ll do fine...But 2 t5 pieces is really really advised.
The Voidstar Talisman is only really needed for really heavy encounters, such as Anetheron, Najentus and Mother Sharaz.


On a Sidenote, we downed Reliquary of Souls yesterday, so today it´s Mothers Day for us, whish me luck.

cheers at the effort :)



i did both of those. had some issues at hex lord though. maneuvering felguard there was a bugger to say the least :$



awesome +spell damage... never even try to compare it to SM or such.

but, fel is really dependent, imho as i tried it, on the boss specifics... grull just kills him too fast in any scenario. but, when demo speced, even imp will boost you far out there :)

and yes, both are good, 2xt5 + solarian trinket :)

you my friend, seem abit confused/overexcited...

going by last nights raid in BT i'm getting the feeling that i may be doing less damage than as dest. shall test more but currently looks like i'll be respeccing again